S-FM 349: KRC: Game of the Decade

[FM-Psychedelic Bee]

the one where they can make the argument "in what world does scum play like this lol"

That being your argument should tell you it's a bad argument

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

no

nonono

not real

the jesus last 5 minutes stuff was one of the reasons I had to doubt

I think jesus/trumpet can't be paired though

and jesus has interactions with sunset that look unpaired too

[FM-Aerial Trumpet]

Hol up.

Trumpet - townread by Jesus
Sunset - townread (and saved) by Jesus in hood chat.

I literally got Nemo killed with that logic >.<

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

That being your argument should tell you it's a bad argument

your argument against amogus is "I don't get the reads that everyone else is saying were obvious"

be aware

[FM-SadPeepo]

So JaG killed by a council that wants to maintain balance(?)
Flipped mafia: JaG/lines/katze/16square
Flipped 3P: government thing
Flipped council: jedi

How many mafia and 3P do we think are left? I think regardless of whether the person who killed JaG is council or another 3P playing off the revealed council we let them live for now

[FM-Sunset]

That is my snappy current world view I didn't arrive until Trumpet started saying something.

Answer me this.

Why would I allegedly waste my teammates BD switch if I wanted Trumpet dead. I could've just witched you to trumpet

There's a couple of possible reasons.

a) To sow chaos and discord. With all of the switches, it makes it way harder to understand wtf happened in a night.
b) Yesterday, I said that I got a rolecop off on Witch. But at first, I wasn't sure that it was actually Witch. I asked Witch a security question. Remember this? It would not be unreasonable to assume, then, that if I was Witched onto someone else, or that I was busdriven, or maybe both, that I wouldn't even realize that I had a new target.
c) It would not be unreasonable to assume that perhaps scum!you or your scum partners could have already guessed my role, Isaac Clarke. It flipped in Nefarious' death. One readthrough of the role makes it pretty clear; Witching me onto someone else would make my shots randomized.

I cannot begin to understand any potential other reasons, but those are the first three that come to mind.

¿Quieres que lo diga de nuevo en español?

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

I literally got Nemo killed with that logic >.<

TOWNY post

[FM-Aerial Trumpet]

That being your argument should tell you it's a bad argument

twtbaw is pretty hard to believe if the person in question brings it up themselves tbh

[FM-Sunset]

I literally got Nemo killed with that logic >.<

Technically I'm the one responsible for Nemo's death, too, since I told everyone to flashwagon him

¿Qué más puedo decir?

[FM-Renaissance Panda]

There's a couple of possible reasons.

a) To sow chaos and discord. With all of the switches, it makes it way harder to understand wtf happened in a night.
b) Yesterday, I said that I got a rolecop off on Witch. But at first, I wasn't sure that it was actually Witch. I asked Witch a security question. Remember this? It would not be unreasonable to assume, then, that if I was Witched onto someone else, or that I was busdriven, or maybe both, that I wouldn't even realize that I had a new target.
c) It would not be unreasonable to assume that perhaps scum!you or your scum partners could have already guessed my role, Isaac Clarke. It flipped in Nefarious' death. One readthrough of the role makes it pretty clear; Witching me onto someone else would make my shots randomized.

I cannot begin to understand any potential other reasons, but those are the first three that come to mind.

¿Quieres que lo diga de nuevo en español?

Thanks for that.

I can understand with all those reasons.

But if I was scum, I'd just straight up use your gun to murder mud or kirby for example.

[FM-SadPeepo]

hey @FM-SadPeepo did you get attacked last night?

Not that I'm aware of, the only feedback I ever got is that I got a second pig on night 2, I think?

[FM-Sunset]

Thanks for that.

I can understand with all those reasons.

But if I was scum, I'd just straight up use your gun to murder mud or kirby for example.

Considering the amount of reds that weren't flipped yesterday, and also the fact that four greens just flipped, it would not be awful to assume you'd rather hit lower hanging fruit to make us second guess ourselves.

¿Es esto inexacto?

[FM-Sunset]

Considering the amount of reds that weren't flipped yesterday, and also the fact that four greens just flipped, it would not be awful to assume you'd rather hit lower hanging fruit to make us second guess ourselves.

¿Es esto inexacto?

Also, maybe you did. You and Bunny could've lied. I have not a single clue who tf I hit.

No me lo dijeron.

[FM-Renaissance Panda]

so ITA shot does not affect Amogus. Is that what happened? I assumed the ITA attempt to a town by Amogus would result in his death (from his claim)

[FM-SadPeepo]

Not that I'm aware of, the only feedback I ever got is that I got a second pig on night 2, I think?

I haven't exactly been active for a good while so they probably just figured I wasn't a threat given my lack of posting

[FM-Renaissance Panda]

Considering the amount of reds that weren't flipped yesterday, and also the fact that four greens just flipped, it would not be awful to assume you'd rather hit lower hanging fruit to make us second guess ourselves.

¿Es esto inexacto?

I personally wouldn't hit LHFs. I would've just killed the strongest consensus / confirmed Town to seed more chaos. I could hit LHFs, but killing the top town, therfore town leaders, is better for seeding more chaos because the rest will be unknown. Also achieves the same result as making your shots random.

That is my personal take. Maybe there is some high level mafia play that goes against that but I'm not that skilled.

[FM-Sunset]

But does killing top/consensus town actually sow any chaos? Surely not any more chaos then hitting a null or a lhf?

¿Estoy equivocada?

[FM-Floopy]

floopy-chan thinks smiley-san is trying to direct shots away from wolves and onto townies like panda-san, trumpet-san, and sunset-san

all of smiley-san's reasonings for those feel like
not genuine
like hes just potshoting takes on townies and hoping they stick

[FM-SadPeepo]

game looked very bad yesterday after witch death but amogus has picked up two guns and saved it. Lines, Katze, Bunny all wolf flips

town are me, amogus, mud
sunset/trumpet very close behind
bendy/floopy/waifu have slight cred for shooting at lines

everyone else (Bee, Panda, Smiley, Hair) is POEable. I liked you early but you gotta do more to keep the TR, and I liked panda yesterday.
Bee has decided amogus cannot possibly be this good and wants him dead, but I don't know if bee is scum for it
puff is basically conf neutral and protected me last night

Town: Kirby amogus mud
Mostly town: sunset trumpet
Slight credit: bendy floppy waifu
PoE: bee panda smiley hair

Got it I'll try my best to make next ITA and keep up with conversation during lab, I think this lines up with the reads I had before I left though which is concerning did all the scum flips not really change much?

[FM-Floopy]

floopy-chan should also go check when itas are
and have dinner
work was awful and really drained her

[FM-SadPeepo]

floopy-chan thinks smiley-san is trying to direct shots away from wolves and onto townies like panda-san, trumpet-san, and sunset-san

all of smiley-san's reasonings for those feel like
not genuine
like hes just potshoting takes on townies and hoping they stick

Who does smiley feel like he's directing shots off of?

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

floopy-chan should also go check when itas are
and have dinner
work was awful and really drained her

sorry to hear

next ITAS in 1 hour, 43 minutes

[FM-Floopy]

Town: Kirby amogus mud
Mostly town: sunset trumpet
Slight credit: bendy floppy waifu
PoE: bee panda smiley hair

Got it I'll try my best to make next ITA and keep up with conversation during lab, I think this lines up with the reads I had before I left though which is concerning did all the scum flips not really change much?

replacing floopy-chan with peepo-san
this honestly is a pretty good starting point with a readlist
floopy-chan would have hair-san at slight-credit but at this point she doesn't really know
she's ot gonna stick to shielding them at this point in the game

[FM-Sunset]

I want to know what your guys' thoughts on Anime Waifu are. She claimed a tracker/rolecop like role, and she claimed they knew what role Smiley was. She also claimed that Smiley's role was successful (I think) but we already knew that from the reveal card thing

¿Alguna idea, alguien?

[FM-SadPeepo]

replacing floopy-chan with peepo-san
this honestly is a pretty good starting point with a readlist
floopy-chan would have hair-san at slight-credit but at this point she doesn't really know
she's ot gonna stick to shielding them at this point in the game

Not my reads these are Kirby's recap of current gamestate

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

also just want to say that the "I will do this ability tomorrow" is a classic scumplay that I've seen before to give scum an extra night to do bad things

it is also town possibly

but we should not avoid smiley slot if we think it's scum, just for the chance that we get ITA buffs tomorrow

all things considered smiley is claiming a 48% chance at killing any scum with the extra shots

[FM-Floopy]

Who does smiley feel like he's directing shots off of?

probably bee-san and some other wolves that are slightly deep that floopy-chan cba to find rn
although peepo-san raises a pretty good point

floopy-chan needs to read bee-san's iso to see if her worldview actually makes sense

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

I want to know what your guys' thoughts on Anime Waifu are. She claimed a tracker/rolecop like role, and she claimed they knew what role Smiley was. She also claimed that Smiley's role was successful (I think) but we already knew that from the reveal card thing

¿Alguna idea, alguien?

IMO towny and id also rather they don't die anytime soon

scum's already caught this so I'll just say that yeah they're my pair for tonight and we need to get that off

[FM-Smiley]

On the topic of demoralization d2. I'll admit Witch dying was kind of crappy alongside the Jesus redflip. Because both events shuffled townreads across the game.

But the fact that we could bounce back and make another towncore so quickly (even before the lines/bunny shots) makes me wonder if we're being led by council.

Which means, we probably have a lower chance of there being some stupid deepwolf there screwing us lategame.. and so our last wolves or wolf is simply in the group outside of mogus/kirby/mud/anime. If that makes sense.

[FM-Smiley]

also just want to say that the "I will do this ability tomorrow" is a classic scumplay that I've seen before to give scum an extra night to do bad things

it is also town possibly

but we should not avoid smiley slot if we think it's scum, just for the chance that we get ITA buffs tomorrow

all things considered smiley is claiming a 48% chance at killing any scum with the extra shots

How'd you do that math

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

How'd you do that math

0.85^4 = 52% chance to miss all 4 shots

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

0.85^4 = 52% chance to miss all 4 shots

I guess we don't know for sure it's 15%?

[FM-Sunset]

Smiley just wants to mislynch me.

He hablado.

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

but also ITAs are objectively fun and I didn't account for that in the math

[FM-Floopy]

This read is not great

so.
how about it, bee-san ( ꈍᴗꈍ)

[FM-SadPeepo]

On the topic of demoralization d2. I'll admit Witch dying was kind of crappy alongside the Jesus redflip. Because both events shuffled townreads across the game.

But the fact that we could bounce back and make another towncore so quickly (even before the lines/bunny shots) makes me wonder if we're being led by council.

Which means, we probably have a lower chance of there being some stupid deepwolf there screwing us lategame.. and so our last wolves or wolf is simply in the group outside of mogus/kirby/mud/anime. If that makes sense.

If council is actually wanting to maintain balance, I say we let them but the fear is that they're not and they're some other 3P riding on councils name. Regardless I still think we prioritize mafia but it depends on how many we think there are of each faction left
Given 5 mafia died? Right? Or was it 4? How many would even be left?

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

If council is actually wanting to maintain balance, I say we let them but the fear is that they're not and they're some other 3P riding on councils name. Regardless I still think we prioritize mafia but it depends on how many we think there are of each faction left
Given 5 mafia died? Right? Or was it 4? How many would even be left?

5 maf dead. no idea how many mafia there are

[FM-Floopy]

Especially for Katze...I mean especially for not Katze

okay bee-san is literally just shielding flipped wolves all day she can go in the explode bin

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

@FM-Amogus another question for you.

Do you or do you not know how many mafia there are left in the game?

[FM-Aerial Trumpet]

14 players remain
So 2-3 mafia
~8 town
3-4~ 3p/council

If I accept Anime, Sunset, Kirby, Mud, Amogus, and Jiggly as all not mafia (anime being my least confident right now)

If I'm willing to accept Peepo and Bee as town, or at the very least not S/S, for the time being

We'd have at least 2 mafia in

Floopy/Hair/Smiley/Panda/Bendy

where Bendy/Hair can't be the team because I don't think bendy shoots one of their few remaining buddies when they can get away with shooting bee or someone else
and Hair/floopy is a meh team because of how floopy talked about hair

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

14 players remain
So 2-3 mafia
~8 town
3-4~ 3p/council

If I accept Anime, Sunset, Kirby, Mud, Amogus, and Jiggly as all not mafia (anime being my least confident right now)

If I'm willing to accept Peepo and Bee as town, or at the very least not S/S, for the time being

We'd have at least 2 mafia in

Floopy/Hair/Smiley/Panda/Bendy

where Bendy/Hair can't be the team because I don't think bendy shoots one of their few remaining buddies when they can get away with shooting bee or someone else
and Hair/floopy is a meh team because of how floopy talked about hair

I want to shield bendy today

[FM-Sunset]

14 players remain
So 2-3 mafia
~8 town
3-4~ 3p/council

If I accept Anime, Sunset, Kirby, Mud, Amogus, and Jiggly as all not mafia (anime being my least confident right now)

If I'm willing to accept Peepo and Bee as town, or at the very least not S/S, for the time being

We'd have at least 2 mafia in

Floopy/Hair/Smiley/Panda/Bendy

where Bendy/Hair can't be the team because I don't think bendy shoots one of their few remaining buddies when they can get away with shooting bee or someone else
and Hair/floopy is a meh team because of how floopy talked about hair

I'd say leave Peepo and Bee in that pool. They do not yet deserve to be left out of it.

Esto es mayormente aceptable para mí.

[FM-Shocked Kirby Face]

I want to shield bendy today

also I'm maybe underaccounting for scum bussing, but you're underaccounting for scum endorsing each other

floopy/hair is a perfectly alright team

also if hair doesn't claim before ITAs I'm blasting it

[FM-Floopy]

Mutual shield party!

name one flipped wolf bee-san hasn't shielded challenge

floopy-chan thinks she's just powerwolfing like all hell given the pure density of poorly justified wrong reads that she has
like none of her reads track and shes heavily defending wolves

[FM-Aerial Trumpet]

I'd say leave Peepo and Bee in that pool. They do not yet deserve to be left out of it.

Esto es mayormente aceptable para mí.

I mean they're not technically "out of the pool"
I just think both have things going for them that indicate they are town more than the other 5 individuals

[FM-Renaissance Panda]

5 maf dead. no idea how many mafia there are

what if we are livingin the world there is only 1 neut left and that is holding us back from winning

[FM-Floopy]

I mean they're not technically "out of the pool"
I just think both have things going for them that indicate they are town more than the other 5 individuals

Floopy-chan is interested because she read their ISO and so far it looks like unfiltered hot garbage

[FM-Smiley]

Aren't we 1 subscription for Jiggly away?

[FM-Aerial Trumpet]

also I'm maybe underaccounting for scum bussing, but you're underaccounting for scum endorsing each other

floopy/hair is a perfectly alright team

also if hair doesn't claim before ITAs I'm blasting it

ehhh
I said it was a meh team
I could see it happening since Floopy didn't shield hair that hard, I just don't think it's the most likely duo in the world

[FM-SadPeepo]

I'd say leave Peepo and Bee in that pool. They do not yet deserve to be left out of it.

Esto es mayormente aceptable para mí.

Yeah I don't mind if my flip helps clear things up I'm kinda riding on coat tails to get carried until Thursday at 4PM my time anyways my activity until then will be very lackluster