i will say i genuinely townread auwt.
i will say i genuinely townread auwt.
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i didnt expect my top three townreads to be auwt/lag/wrath this game though. that's kind of weird.
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And then he is scumreading Lag from the get-go but the moment Lag posts his stealth case, which MM says he actually disagrees with, he switches off of Lag and onto Stealth
This is after he doesn't move off of lag to ceko when he implies he has a pretty good scumread there
this feels either w/w with ceko or w/w with stealth. He switches off of his main scumread (Lag) to vote for his main scumread's main scumread (SB) that he /doesn't even believe in/ after /not/ switching off of his main scumread (Lag) To vote for a secondary scumread (Ceko)
That's my thoughts on MM
Probably because
1. I've played a shit ton of FoL games, where mafia wins about 90% of the games there, I'm pretty sure I've only won 1 town game in total there, and my confidence on my reads is kinda shot from it.
2. Not in a great spot mentally.
3. It's my first game on a new site and it takes me a while to get used to the UI.
why did my thoughts on mm kill thread
ive been re-reading the end of deck mafia because im trying to remember how certain people play
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...Deck-Mafia-008
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Because they're horrible :P
Have you even read my post lol? I mostly agreed with Lag's case, even though some points needed some nuance in my opinion. I also was beginning to question Stealth independently from Lag's case because he seemed to be too defensive/conservative with his posts instead of trying to find more scum or to actually prove his point against Lag. Usually, as town, he will have witty comments to strenghten his reads or to try to tie suspects together. I see none of this here.
Correct, because at that point, I have not seen Stealth's other posts, nor have I seen Lag's case. I wanted to keep the pressure on Lag because it was an interesting way to get information, whereas putting pressure on Ceko didn't feel right: putting pressure on that kind of player is just... usual business (because Ceko tends to be considered weird) and doesn't really drag much info out.
This is a reasonable enough assumption, and I can see where you're coming from. You're wrong, obviously, but your thought process has the merit of being coherent with what you could see of me, since you didn't know what I had read or not when I decided not to vote ceko.
This isn't a reasonable assumption, unless you've really just entirely missed the point of my post replying to Lag's case on Stealth. Please explain.
I'm not sure what the slashes are about here, but "doesn't believe in" no, "vote for a secondary scumread (Ceko)" no, I do not think I have ever voted him, even though that would probably be my 2nd vote choice as of now.
i was hoping for you and a solve
problem: scum votes for the other candidate, not theiwanted so we all are tricked into voting their candidate thinking its the right one
lol i did it many times and my brain is a mush
same
except i signed up for a game
then 2 weeks later for yet another one
and now i end up being in too many
hmm
it is pretty much how i imagine you gaming...
funny
hmm i get where you are coming from
hmm did i find it?
hmm great
lol
hmm funnz
oh fck i got my multis back
yeah ceko why do you vote smbdy who posted 1 post at that time
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...why? You can't just say that to a well-constructed, logical post. You need to provide reasons. Not all of Lag's points were good (scumreading someone for being out of their meta at the start of a game is perfectly fair, for example), but some were, as stated in my post with comments in red (page 11).
That's one weird way of being sarcastic... Also, the Illuminati know which President to vote for, which is really the core of the game, so they know what is going on. Their lack of knowledge of the neutral's identity is not that important imo.
I cannot wait to see this happen. I'm not seeing it right now.
Uuuuuh? Let's vote the inactive guy instead of voting someone who had a case built against them and who fully engaged into attacking Lag, which has been the main topic of the game? And you want to do this in the name of information? ...
Nice appeal to emotion, but that doesn't work here. We're all having fun, there's no reason to even be stressed/angry/whatever about the game atm, so this is just dirty at this point.
Ceko isn't trending up. However, my gut is telling me Stealth is really wrong, whereas it's telling me Ceko may just be busy being a weirdo lol. But if it gets to EoD and the choice is between Ceko and someone who isn't Stealth, I'm voting Ceko unless he changes my mind.
I've seen a lot of random teams being thrown out with no explanation. I also see people refusing to vote Oliver even though many have called out his play. Frinckles is really insistent on voting Brad for some reason and Mizery seems to have sheeped him, although her recent post about Marshmallow Marshall looked really good and explains her thoughts about his slot.
It was not well-constructed or logical. Lag's wall on Stealth can only be described as OMGUS.
It's definitely important if that neutral has to vote for a different candidate than the Illuminati's candidate.
I can tell you haven't caught up.
Oliver has a horrible case against me and Stealth is my second choice for today.
the slashes are too lazy for italics emphasis
I read your post? and you call most of Lag's points NAI and then say you'll join it even though a case like that is something that W!Lag would do? you imply you're only voting on it because....I don't know.
, which is perfectly fine xDTotally convinced" is a little too strong, but he was indeed confident. I don't think it goes to the point it is scummy due to a disparity between information and confidence, though.Hmm, I don't think I've seen that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist; could use examples, and if you're town and right, it would only strenghten your case anywayYes, but this can be explained by town tunnelling and isn't really scummy in itself; however, the lack of plausibility of the confbias theory (see comment at the end of the quote) makes this a little scummyLag questions, asking if it's something Stealth would have done as T, trying to catch a player who he is worried about being fooled by:Yesn't? Stealth still decided to call out Wrath for giving me a townread for attacking you but not giving it to him for doing the same thing. That is not the kind of thing you do when you don't want to spew anyone, because Stealth and Wrath don't look SvS here, and that's thanks to Stealth. Could just be a misplay from scum!Stealth, though.
Lag questions, asking if stealth is potentially confbiased:Definetly not. I know Stealth (well, know-ish, I guess, since we've never done much more than play FM together, but for all intents and purposes, this should be sufficient here), and he doesn't do that.
I know I didn't quote lag's side but there's only one thing in responses to Lag's arguments that looks like agreeing, with the rest just being statements that aren't anything, ending with you just straight up shooting down the two points lag gives in benefit of the doubt.Miiiight is the right way to say it. But considering what I've just pointed out in my last post, probably not. Being defensive and being confbiased doesn't match.
And I think it could be potentially w/w with stealth simply because of the ceko/stealth thing where I think you're potentially w/w with one of them and I'm broken
Marshmallow Marshall has been following people's reads all game and Oliver has given terrible reasons for scumreading me. What a joke.
This is a refreshing change from what I've seen from you in past games. You're giving meaningful analysis, having thought processes that, while they are not always right, can be followed (thinking about your thoughts on me, which I addressed recently), and it really feels like you're trying to solve. At this point, I think it's worth making a list of reads:
Mizery
Wrath (trends up if Stealth flips scum considering Stealth slapped him for not giving him a townread for hitting on Lag; I liked the spirit behind "YAY A VOTER", especially considering Wrath is still relatively new to FM)
Lag (I'm still somewhat weary of him, thanks to him fooling me repeatedly, especially with his long logical posts that he knows how to make look like actual reasonings, but aside from the small PQ doubt, there's no reason to scumread him, and he's been solvy enough...)
Auwt (gut townread)
Frinckles (meta/gut townread)
Bunch of people who haven't achieved much
Ceko
Stealth
You are dismissing it as OMGUS without even saying what you think is wrong with it...
I'm not sure I get your point, but I don't think it's that important anyway.
Correct, but it doesn't make your intent to be more solvy more apparent at the moment you said it.
Why is it horrible?
also would it not work to simply divide the playerlist up into two groups of 6 , designate people for them to vote for, and then rearrange groups based on if the votes aren't the right count for a candidate? is this game not just mech solvable not just for who the wolves are but who their candidate is?
Green is my favorite color.
I have an untouched bunch of bananas that are slowly rotting away in my kitchen.
Donald Trump was a bad president.
I saw Stealth vent.
Ten people have scumread me at this point. People seem to have forgotten that this game starts with eight town, if you include the Conspiracy Theorist, and five people who are not town.
This line of questioning is less accusatory and more of you trying to show me you're town isn't it?
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I need MM and lag to come back
You know what? I have just consulted my scummates, and they told me you should die for this!
Seriously, look at the votecount. You have two votes against you. Saying you've been scumread by 10 people means nothing if votes didn't follow and you were scummy. And you've just entirely ignored my points to troll.-vote theoneceko
Die.
The evidence presented before the court seems to suggest that Lag is town. @Lag if you did another try-hard "towny" scum ploy here, I will NEVER forgive you!
Now, under my assumption that you, Lag, are in fact town (or at least non-Illuminati), the question then is whether voting within you thunderdome with SB16 is best. As noted earlier, what if this is TvT (or more like non-Illuminati vs non-Illuminati)? However, your arguments about SB16 are sound (and carry more weight when applied to someone like SB16 as opposed to a less expert player such as myself, oliver, etc.). I know I got buried for this [correct] view in an earlier game (pro player playing like shit), but I guess I will go for it again.
I had to do some extracurricular activities to better understand Conspiracy Theorist (and no, it's not me, but I didn't understand how clues worked earlier). All in all, I doubt you would be pointing this out to the sheep who didn't even bother to read the setup (allegedly) as an Illuminati~Lag.
-vote Stealthbomber16
P.S. I will never be able to read Oliverz.
IDK I'm still getting bad vibes from ceko. I am not in the mood or energy to come up with brilliant reads list D1, sorry. But it seems like ceko stepped up his game, possibly in response to getting suspected early on? May or may not be AI, however. And yeah I know my D1 has gotten weaker, I don't have as much time on the weekdays as I did that Sunday night.
I just did a quick ISO and SB16 and Ceko may be a scum pairing. Although their votes are currently split between Lag mastermind wolf and oliverz LHF wolf ("wolves" in an alleged manner, I mean). I may be wrong, but Ceko may be continuously commenting about townreading me in order to get me to vote outside of him. But again, is that AI? Maybe not. And I happen to be town, so he is not wrong.
What is evident is that Ceko and SB16 are avoiding themselves as potential trains that were or are forming.
Am I guilty of tunneling on too few slots myself? Yes, I am.
The issue with Lag is that he is towny as a wolf. The fact he does something he could do as a wolf doesn't mean he's a wolf, it just means I have to remain vigilant.
You entirely left aside the two "+1"... come on lol. Of course your perception of my position is warped if you remove the parts that don't fit with your analysis XD. Also, in the quotes you put:
- 1 is a refutation of an invalid argument to scumread Stealth (and it's the only one)
- 2 is a nuance that mostly invalidates Lag's argument
- 3 is a demand for clarifications (which I haven't seen yet @Lag , but maybe I've just missed it?)
- 4 is saying I agree with Lag to some extent, because the only way Stealth is town and acting like he did is if he's tunnelled on Lag, but he's too defensive/conservative to be tunnelled
- 5 is a more-or-less agreement: the fact Stealth spews Wrath as town if he's scum might not be intentional ("a misplay from scum!Stealth", as I said), so Lag's point about avoiding spew could make sense in spite of that
- 6 is me saying the world where Stealth wants what basically comes down to fame and glory for taking down a good player makes no sense because that's not how Stealth is (i.e. I am refuting a potential defense of Stealth)
- 7 is another refutation of a potential defense of Stealth (confbiased town)
And include two other points I 100 % agreed with Lag on, hence the "+1" I put. So... ? ? ?
Also your last sentence makes no sense XD.
This feels too dumb/inefficient to be scum xD. Can you explain, though?
Also, the only religions allowed here are the cult of the Lynch Train and the cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Please refrain from HERESY.
Btw @Mizery this is one MASSIVE point/principle of Lag's case on Stealth that I agreed with (and that I had voiced by myself just before replying to Lag's long post, iirc).
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...80/unknown.png
how do u guys copy the vc into text? i didnt manage that
w/e
ceko or sb
but the votes i dont like them
ceko has the towniest tail
bradland is not poe
lag is not an option it seems
feels like kingmaker rn tbh with 20 different 3ps
mm isnt slynchy imho either as of yet
so either lag ceko or sb
sb has a meh tail. lets vote 2gether with my hard sr to lynch another hard sr ._.
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aghhhh help me
also any strats for tonight?
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wait can EVERYBODY vote a president? or is that a special role only?
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7 actives here but noone chatting?
are yall scum?
2 ghosts, 2 guests? +mm and m?
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guys eod is in 2 hours and im not comfortable at all
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If you don't get your shit together, I will be voting you (during the day).
The game's outcome (win/loss for the various factions) is dictated by which president gets elected. Yes, everyone may choose to vote (but may also abstain) for a president at night (barring roleblocks or other shenanigans): Democratic, Republican, or Third party. If on Day 6, the Illuminati's chosen party (which is either Democrat or Republican) has most votes, then they win. Town should avoid voting their candidate, but we don't know who that candidate is (50/50). On Day 3, we at least get to find out vote counts as of that Day (based on N1 and N2 votes).
Also, in case anyone else was as confused as me: the votes get added up every night. Unlike normal elections, each person will vote multiple times (except for whomever we lynch D1 lol), once per night. The total count over all those nights (N1 through N5) will determine the outcome of the game.