S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

[PQRnHack]

I'm going to give Voss some time to answer the question I asked him before I answer this, but if he just disappears then I'll answer

Tell me why you are so soft and want to give Voss (and me) some time. I dont like this softness at all.

[Voss]

I promise I'm not trying to give anyone busy work, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving game information to everyone (and the scum team) if someone pulls the posts for me on why sb and mm both decided to out themselves, or if someone can give me some sort of summary and reasoning on why I should claim.

[PQRnHack]

I promise I'm not trying to give anyone busy work, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving game information to everyone (and the scum team) if someone pulls the posts for me on why sb and mm both decided to out themselves, or if someone can give me some sort of summary and reasoning on why I should claim.

I felt obliged to claim before Igot hammered, there was pressure on me today, D2. I revealed I was CMAN and i stated information about our chat. I was prepared to do so yesterday as well but Martin said no last wills so i have to spill the beans in the thread. Oliver pushed for mass reveal and everyone complied. THat is the story.

[PQRnHack]

Scum team: MM/Paopan/SB16
Watch list: Gikkle, Loldebite, Oliver

My vote will not be outside of those above. And yes, MM will continue saying Lag and I are scum bla bla. If Lag or Oliver pocketed me as scum here, then good job and you deserve the win. But I dont think so.

[Voss]

Scum team: MM/Paopan/SB16
Watch list: Gikkle, Loldebite, Oliver

My vote will not be outside of those above. And yes, MM will continue saying Lag and I are scum bla bla. If Lag or Oliver pocketed me as scum here, then good job and you deserve the win. But I dont think so.

Doo you admit to posting in the congresspeople chat after saying that you liked my idea for congress people NOT to use the chat??

[Lumi]

I promise I'm not trying to give anyone busy work, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving game information to everyone (and the scum team) if someone pulls the posts for me on why sb and mm both decided to out themselves, or if someone can give me some sort of summary and reasoning on why I should claim.

So this is why you should claim:

I'm not Medic. I'm Voter.

Oliver had it correct here:

Sa, judge, governor should claim aswell
Only medic and voter shouldnt claim

The voters jobs are to provide WIFOM for the medic. I wanted to get ahead of that and just claim Medic right out.

And then two people claimed Voter, so I assumed mission accomplished, the real medic is covered.

But then Paopan didn't rescind his medic claim. Meaning actually a states attorney or congressman claimed voter??

And then you refused to claim your role as well?

Things getting super screwy in a bad way, and now people accusing me of being states attorney that voted for myself. Feels like I'm being set up by a wolf states attorney that claimed voter to take advantage of a voter claiming medic in order to frame them + get away with doing scummy actions with their now concealed states attorney power.

[PQRnHack]

Doo you admit to posting in the congresspeople chat after saying that you liked my idea for congress people NOT to use the chat??

Hilarious! I got accused earlier on for not wanting to mention why i liked your post or why you were my town read! Tell me: would you like me to find that post?

I intentionally avoided saying too much because I was a Congressman myself but i totally agreed with your idea which made you a townread in my book! I did not want to make it obvious that I was a CMAN but i absolutely agreed with your suggestion and that is what I AM KING.

YES, I ADMIT! I posted ONLY after I was forced to reveal today as votes were piling up on me for another mislynch. I am sorry I got Frinckles wrong, but I fight even harder after making a fuckup.

[Lumi]

So if Voss is congressman and Paopan is medic, that means one of Gikkle or loldebite lied about being voter in order to hide their role as states attorney?

[PQRnHack]

So this is why you should claim:

I'm not Medic. I'm Voter.

Oliver had it correct here:



The voters jobs are to provide WIFOM for the medic. I wanted to get ahead of that and just claim Medic right out.

And then two people claimed Voter, so I assumed mission accomplished, the real medic is covered.

But then Paopan didn't rescind his medic claim. Meaning actually a states attorney or congressman claimed voter??

And then you refused to claim your role as well?

Things getting super screwy in a bad way, and now people accusing me of being states attorney that voted for myself. Feels like I'm being set up by a wolf states attorney that claimed voter to take advantage of a voter claiming medic in order to frame them + get away with doing scummy actions with their now concealed states attorney power.

Bussing time!

-vote Lag

[Lumi]

Bussing time!

-vote Lag

lol, shh don't let them know B)

[PQRnHack]

So if Voss is congressman and Paopan is medic, that means one of Gikkle or loldebite lied about being voter in order to hide their role as states attorney?

Or you lied yourself, right? Put yourself in my shoes.

[Lumi]

PQ, did anyone in the congress chat mention that they'd fake claim?

[PQRnHack]

lol, shh don't let them know B)

From *MY* POV tell me what is the top reason to view you as town?

[PQRnHack]

PQ, did anyone in the congress chat mention that they'd fake claim?

No, the chat from ARI was all caps bullshit to appear as paopan, our TOWN SAVIOR.

[Lumi]

Or you lied yourself, right? Put yourself in my shoes.

You think I'm actually States Attorney? Because I promise you I'm not, it's exactly why I want Voss to hard-claim his role to minimize the number of people in the thunderdome after I flip Voter

[PQRnHack]

and presumably this came from Voss. So we need to hear Voss story. Ima add Voss to my list of potential lynch candidates for this reason.

[Lumi]

No, the chat from ARI was all caps bullshit to appear as paopan, our TOWN SAVIOR.

Ok, ya, so that means the State Attorney is actually just lying and claiming as voter instead.

[PQRnHack]

You think I'm actually States Attorney? Because I promise you I'm not, it's exactly why I want Voss to hard-claim his role to minimize the number of people in the thunderdome after I flip Voter

No, I think Pao is Pao and that you are scum~Medic pocketing me. Got it?

[Lumi]

From *MY* POV tell me what is the top reason to view you as town?

From your POV, why would I fake claim medic as states attorney? Especially so early in the claims? Wouldn't it just be pretty much instantly outed after everyone claimed? When there's a missing SA claim but two medic claims?

The fact that didn't happen and something much weirder is happening necessarily means that something much weirder happened with the claims than that.

[PQRnHack]

From your POV, why would I fake claim medic as states attorney? Especially so early in the claims? Wouldn't it just be pretty much instantly outed after everyone claimed? When there's a missing SA claim but two medic claims?

The fact that didn't happen and something much weirder is happening necessarily means that something much weirder happened with the claims than that.

What would you do as State Attorney scum?

[PQRnHack]

From your POV, why would I fake claim medic as states attorney? Especially so early in the claims? Wouldn't it just be pretty much instantly outed after everyone claimed? When there's a missing SA claim but two medic claims?

The fact that didn't happen and something much weirder is happening necessarily means that something much weirder happened with the claims than that.

Frankly what i dont like is how you assume i am town. Can you summarize for me (and, frankly, the rest of the majority) what makes you read me as town as opposed to MM Loldebite (maybe Gikkle)? Or am i going out of line here cuz MM will now say we are open wolfing and bussing each other and you and i are scum?
Go beyond the VCA crap.

[Voss]

So this is why you should claim:

I'm not Medic. I'm Voter.

Oliver had it correct here:



The voters jobs are to provide WIFOM for the medic. I wanted to get ahead of that and just claim Medic right out.

And then two people claimed Voter, so I assumed mission accomplished, the real medic is covered.

But then Paopan didn't rescind his medic claim. Meaning actually a states attorney or congressman claimed voter??

And then you refused to claim your role as well?

Things getting super screwy in a bad way, and now people accusing me of being states attorney that voted for myself. Feels like I'm being set up by a wolf states attorney that claimed voter to take advantage of a voter claiming medic in order to frame them + get away with doing scummy actions with their now concealed states attorney power.

are you seriously using a post from the first hour of the day as a reason on why we should mass claim? something you've been trying to get us to do for a while? SCUM POINTS. I wanted to know why MM and SB claimed.

in addition to all that, because of these lies, this makes me further not want to claim. i think it's a good idea to protect state attorney, as i don't disagree with their anon vote on you.

[Lumi]

What would you do as State Attorney scum?

Claim it and then not use the power until I'm able to turn LYLO into a win. Fake claiming as a power role is just a headache because you get outed by role counting, like what's happening here with Gikkle/Loldebite

Also funny how @Voss just disappeared after I posted why he needs to hard-claim his role

[Lumi]

are you seriously using a post from the first hour of the day as a reason on why we should mass claim? something you've been trying to get us to do for a while? SCUM POINTS. I wanted to know why MM and SB claimed.

in addition to all that, because of these lies, this makes me further not want to claim. i think it's a good idea to protect state attorney, as i don't disagree with their anon vote on you.

The post from the first hour of the day was setup speculation? It doesn't matter when setup speculation posts are made.

And I wasn't even the one that initiated mass-claiming, I just did my job as voter to provide medic WIFOM.

Your doubling down here is super bizarre.

[PQRnHack]

Also funny how @Voss just disappeared after I posted why he needs to hard-claim his role

Now you are pissing me off. You complained about your own absence being used against you and how MM knew about it (6-game affair). This is a lame comment and push on Voss. Explain. Hypocrite much?

[Voss]

Could you condense your posts a bit PQ into like a handful of posts rather than a page.?

I am in a vulnerable position as ppl want me gone. So people who dont want me gone are by definition bussing me. Loldebite made a false statement or two but is sleeping. SB16 went apeshit over my amazing expectation that the count of mafia is 3 and not 2. What a fucking joke. I will fight for my life, unlike Frinckles.

your (what seems like a) 100 posts makes me want to policy you. this is almost worse than Mag's high volume posting. I'm not even reading all these posts, and I'm sure others aren't either.

[PQRnHack]

your (what seems like a) 100 posts makes me want to policy you. this is almost worse than Mag's high volume posting. I'm not even reading all these posts, and I'm sure others aren't either.

when im town i speak my mind. if that is policy, then do it. our goal here is to win, get your stuff together.

[Voss]

The post from the first hour of the day was setup speculation? It doesn't matter when setup speculation posts are made.

And I wasn't even the one that initiated mass-claiming, I just did my job as voter to provide medic WIFOM.

Your doubling down here is super bizarre.

I didn't ask anyone to give me day 1 opener posts on why we should mass claim. I (thought I) asked for why we decided to do it within the past 18 hours, so I wanted post quotes from the past 18 hours. Not recycled posts.

Claim it and then not use the power until I'm able to turn LYLO into a win. Fake claiming as a power role is just a headache because you get outed by role counting, like what's happening here with Gikkle/Loldebite

Also funny how @Voss just disappeared after I posted why he needs to hard-claim his role

i'm still here. i'm trying to catch up and stay current (but also trying really hard not to spam the thread). Please don't activity shame me when I've made it obvious I'm READING.

[PQRnHack]

your (what seems like a) 100 posts makes me want to policy you. this is almost worse than Mag's high volume posting. I'm not even reading all these posts, and I'm sure others aren't either.

This is really kinda obtuse and offensive. I got cornered to some extent both days D1 and D2. Do you want me to stop posting and just cave in and let mafia win?? Aint happening. It sucks that I spend more time defending self, but it was not my own doing (some may disagree since im apparently a scum read)

[Voss]

when im town i speak my mind. if that is policy, then do it. our goal here is to win, get your stuff together.

Please understand that town doesn't have the brainpower to read lots and lots of stream of consciousness posts. Scum don't need to and only need to know enough to run out the clock on trains that don't concern them.

[Lumi]

Frankly what i dont like is how you assume i am town. Can you summarize for me (and, frankly, the rest of the majority) what makes you read me as town as opposed to MM Loldebite (maybe Gikkle)? Or am i going out of line here cuz MM will now say we are open wolfing and bussing each other and you and i are scum?
Go beyond the VCA crap.

I don't assume you're town. Gikkle + oliver are the slots I had as hard town reads.

My town read on you is two-fold. First slots like MM + SB16 were pushing you and they were slots I heavily scum-read (although in light of the recent developments I'll have to reconsider that)

The second reason is that your posts this game feel more like your posts when you were Tambry in Gravity Falls than when you were PQ in the Wild West game. Like you're all over the place in both cases, but in the Wild West game you were super confrontational and aggro whereas in Gravity Falls you were much less in-your-face.

[Stealthbomber16]

This is such a messy game.

[PQRnHack]

your (what seems like a) 100 posts makes me want to policy you. this is almost worse than Mag's high volume posting. I'm not even reading all these posts, and I'm sure others aren't either.

Let me flip this on you. What is the intention of your post here? What do you want? To ban me or what? State the reasoning.

[Lumi]

Now you are pissing me off. You complained about your own absence being used against you and how MM knew about it (6-game affair). This is a lame comment and push on Voss. Explain. Hypocrite much?

It was more prodding him to come back than anything.

[Stealthbomber16]

Let me flip this on you. What is the intention of your post here? What do you want? To ban me or what? State the reasoning.

I can answer this for him.

1. To get you to fucking stop
2. To note that this volume of posts is scummy because it's making people analyze you less

[Stealthbomber16]

Now you are pissing me off. You complained about your own absence being used against you and how MM knew about it (6-game affair). This is a lame comment and push on Voss. Explain. Hypocrite much?

Fuck yeah based PQ

[PQRnHack]

[QUOTE=Lag;951538]I don't assume you're town. Gikkle + oliver are the slots I had as hard town reads.

My town read on you is two-fold. First slots like MM + SB16 were pushing you and they were slots I heavily scum-read (although in light of the recent developments I'll have to reconsider that)

The second reason is that your posts this game feel more like your posts when you were Tambry in Gravity Falls than when you were PQ in the Wild West game. Like you're all over the place in both cases, but in the Wild West game you were super confrontational and aggro whereas in Gravity Falls you were much less in-your-face.[/QUOTE

If you did this to me as scum, I will be *******
Tell me, why is Loldebite viewing me as scum?

[Lumi]

I didn't ask anyone to give me day 1 opener posts on why we should mass claim. I (thought I) asked for why we decided to do it within the past 18 hours, so I wanted post quotes from the past 18 hours. Not recycled posts.



i'm still here. i'm trying to catch up and stay current (but also trying really hard not to spam the thread). Please don't activity shame me when I've made it obvious I'm READING.

You asked for why you should claim your role. I gave you a reason why you should claim your role.

The reason being that I agree with oliver, that I think everyone should claim other than medic/voters who can WIFOM for the medic.

I am voter that was WIFOMing for the medic, and now the roles don't add up in a way that points to the states attorney lying about their role and hiding as a voter.

Medic WIFOMing their role is great, States Attorney lying about their role is super scummy. Medic cannot be used in a pro-wolf way, States Attorney can, and is arguably the most powerful role in wolf hands. So now do you understand my concern with you refusing to claim your role which indirectly protects a States Attorney that is fake-claiming voter?

[PQRnHack]

I can answer this for him.

1. To get you to fucking stop
2. To note that this volume of posts is scummy because it's making people analyze you less

Yeah this is sad, i was reflecting on this 24 hrs ago - I am town, why are they reading me as scum? It is a 2-fold problem, some part of it is me.
Wait, why are you defending me SB16? Arent you in bed with MM?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Scum!Gikkle probably had a momentum to discredit me here, causing me to become at risk of being lynched. Instead, Gikkle chose to put me in town leans, saying my D2 was much better than my D1 (which I honestly think is true, I was a little lost on D1 due to the unusual game start). The benefit of pocketing me is too small for it to make sense imo. Thus, I'm gonna say I like Gikkle here and "accept the pocket", I guess.

Also, @ those saying Lag is actively CCing Paopan: no. Early D1 medic claims are assumed to be WIFOM claims, and conflicting claims are in no way CCs (especially considering how roles are not tied to alignments). If I'm not mistaken, at EoD, Paopan wasn't even voting Guillo, who also claimed medic.

[Lumi]

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951544]

I don't assume you're town. Gikkle + oliver are the slots I had as hard town reads.

My town read on you is two-fold. First slots like MM + SB16 were pushing you and they were slots I heavily scum-read (although in light of the recent developments I'll have to reconsider that)

The second reason is that your posts this game feel more like your posts when you were Tambry in Gravity Falls than when you were PQ in the Wild West game. Like you're all over the place in both cases, but in the Wild West game you were super confrontational and aggro whereas in Gravity Falls you were much less in-your-face.[/QUOTE

If you did this to me as scum, I will be *******
Tell me, why is Loldebite viewing me as scum?

Ask loldebite? How would I know?

[Voss]

I hate RVS and would rather talk strategy. I guess I'll reread the setup, since I just skimmed it.

Also a couple of things:
First, don't burn yourself out and/or have unrealistic expectations for people's contributions. There's a difference between a lurking scum, and someone who is making good posts, but not talking a lot. So when you are frustrated with the lack of contribution at 3am PST, get a grip, and reread/summarize the game instead of asking "wHeRe Is EvErYoNe? DeAd GaMe!!!!". It'll help you, and help those not able to spend 25/8 on the forums.

Second, since we're playing with the ARCANE early hammer system, I will refuse to vote until end of game. You can assume that whoever I put first in my "vote order bird vote" list is the person I'd vote for. Don't like it? Vote me, petition the host to change it, or bite me.

Gotta say I like oliverz here on the Lag meta read.

This is really kinda obtuse and offensive. I got cornered to some extent both days D1 and D2. Do you want me to stop posting and just cave in and let mafia win?? Aint happening. It sucks that I spend more time defending self, but it was not my own doing (some may disagree since im apparently a scum read)

It's probably not clear, but the advice I gave in my first post here applies.

Don't spam the thread. It's a better use of your(nay, EVERYONES) time to go back and do longer posts on these sorts of things:
find why people are scum reading you and find your own posts that contradict/disprove/assuage their reasonings.

and more importantly, go push your actual scum reads by finding their posts and telling others why you think they're bad. But not by responding to each one one at a time to spam the thread. A nicely formatted post with commentary and wrapped in spoilers is way better to give other people pause on whether you're scum or not. Give them alternatives, and they can also judge your reasonings as to whether they come from a town perspective, or a scum faking it.

i'll stop preaching about this after this post.

[Stealthbomber16]

Yeah this is sad, i was reflecting on this 24 hrs ago - I am town, why are they reading me as scum? It is a 2-fold problem, some part of it is me.
Wait, why are you defending me SB16? Arent you in bed with MM?

I'm not defending you. You're scum for reasons I have already outlined. I'm reiterating them here for you, because Voss is clearly seeing things the same way I am.

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm not defending you. You're scum for reasons I have already outlined. I'm reiterating them here for you, because Voss is clearly seeing things the same way I am.

I fully intend to lynch you today unless Paopan does literally nothing for the rest of the day.

[PQRnHack]

I want to lynch MM today. I had a funny realization during lunch today as to how he talked about my wide-ranging scum meta based on the game in which he and i were scummates. And then I realized. He was quite aggressive and making wild decisions in that game. If I am wrong, then MM was also wrong.

[Stealthbomber16]

Scum!Gikkle probably had a momentum to discredit me here, causing me to become at risk of being lynched. Instead, Gikkle chose to put me in town leans, saying my D2 was much better than my D1 (which I honestly think is true, I was a little lost on D1 due to the unusual game start). The benefit of pocketing me is too small for it to make sense imo. Thus, I'm gonna say I like Gikkle here and "accept the pocket", I guess.

Also, @ those saying Lag is actively CCing Paopan: no. Early D1 medic claims are assumed to be WIFOM claims, and conflicting claims are in no way CCs (especially considering how roles are not tied to alignments). If I'm not mistaken, at EoD, Paopan wasn't even voting Guillo, who also claimed medic.

I'm shocked that you are not outraged at Paopan's extremely weak d2 so far.

[Voss]

MM, stealth? y'all are here and if you guys are both scum I'm glad to give the game to you.

Why did you both claim, and why should I not try to protect the medic and state attorney (if we're really to believe you)

[PQRnHack]

I fully intend to lynch you today unless Paopan does literally nothing for the rest of the day.

That would be a mislynch. Are you surprised?

[PQRnHack]

I'm shocked that you are not outraged at Paopan's extremely weak d2 so far.

Quoting age-old posts by your potential scummate is not a good thing to do. Learn to play.

[PQRnHack]

@Renegade make plans ahead of time.