Well, SB16 seems about as rational and towny as he normally is. Possibly third party. That's last bit is a joke before somebody gets confused and MM has to explain it to them. Apparently Guillo claimed Medic? That's weird.
Well, SB16 seems about as rational and towny as he normally is. Possibly third party. That's last bit is a joke before somebody gets confused and MM has to explain it to them. Apparently Guillo claimed Medic? That's weird.
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And I keep failing to use the right pronoun for Lag goddamn it. Sorry!
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
He wouldn't think he could actually get Lag out based on that, no. It'd all be for show just to make people think "this guy is town, he entered the game swinging!"
I don't necessarily think one possibility is much more likely than the other, which is why in my original post about this I mentioned that I wanted to see more from Oliverz.
Yah I'm the medic, live with it.
I'm the best killer you will ever meet, night vigilante or day vigilante? Guillotina got you. But medic? I always end up protecting scum, trust me, you are better off not having me protecting anyone.
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
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If Oliverz is town, good chance MM could be trying to whiteknight here. Not 100% since I can kind of see where he's coming from, but it's still strange that he presumes Oliverz is town and argued about what Oliverz was going for based on that assumption. It's more indicative of TMI than not, imo.
If Oliverz is scum, MM is likely town.
Lag, we just started the game, we are not close to LYLO so why bring up claiming now? hmm? To help scum figure out who the real important pro-town PRs are so they are hunted down? You know this, you are an exceptional player and I will judge you with higher standards than everyone else.
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
PQR is scum
Voss is scum
But at least PQR has not frozen and is fighting back.
Voss is frozen. Maybe
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Suppose it's a bit early for that play though, regardless of it being suboptimal. I'd need to be leading the town off a cliff for that to happen.
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Voss is known for his low activity, high content style. Or well, he was known when he actually played, this is his first game in a while actually. I don't think this is a frozen wolf, just standard Voss who has a life. That doesn't make him town, though, just not scum for that specific reason.
Ni hao everyone!
Okay! I won't vote you today
Chill. Chill. I already hired a translator. I can now speak proper English! The Anglo-Saxons would be so proud of me. But yeah... minus scredits for me.
Are you soft-claiming judge?
Both of you are actually very rude that I almost want to OMGUS. I actually felt I had an awesome opening on the RVS stage.
Sorry. But I'm counterclaiming this. I'm the real medic.
For now. I'll park my vote here.
-vote Guillo
I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Guillo somehow puts me off.
Yah, i read my vote for that reason and i feel disgusted of myself.
Let's change it back
-vote Voss
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No, I think you could be right and be town, but you trying to put words in Oliverz mouth (#169, #179) was very strange. #179 was also strange with the comments that it was "obvious he was not literal" because it "would not make sense", and later when I asked about whether that was dismissing the possibility of S!Oliverz doing it for scummy reasoning, you brought up an extreme scenario (#194, your point about Oliverz having to be a lunatic if he thought he could get Lag lynched from the beginning of the day. Not sure if this is just because you misinterpreted what I was saying? You never responded to me correcting you about what I meant by "early aggression") to dismiss my whole point about the possible justification S!Oliverz may have had where it would make sense for them to make a literal post like that so early on.
Your prior explanation for why Oliverz was town ( #168 ) didn't make much sense either. Here is what you said:
"There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly. "
This does not match up with what Oliverz has actually done.
"Pointing (Lag's alleged change in tone) out" - This is Marshmallow putting words in Oliverz mouth, which is what we talked about afterwards and which he acknowledges as a possibility in #179. The only thing Oliverz did publicly say was that Lag wasn't doing a full mechanical plan and "being smart town" like they were last game. Oliverz did not point out any kind of change in tone or anything like that.
"Starting the discussion strongly" - Strongly worded, sure. I wouldn't call it "starting the discussion strongly" though, as it wasn't strong in it's structure, considering he doesn't talk about it all after that and the explanation is pretty lackluster.
"Making people take a stance about his read" - Never happened.
This is just a very strange read altogether and seems a lot like you're trying to justify something you don't really believe in. Maybe I'm wrong? It's just weird on the surface and your answers so far have only raised more questions.
Sorry if this doesn't make much sense or is jumbled, I'm a bit tired.
-vote Stealthbomber16
We need to team up more NotPaoPan! Did you see how Stealthbomber fell for that reaction test like a neewbie scum?
SCUM
PQR
Voss
Stealth
Stealth, in case you didnt see what hit you.
1) I may or may not have fake claim medic to provide cover for the real medic.
2) NotPao may or may not have CCed me to provide cover for the real medic or for me. Because i dont believe he'd CC me if he was the real medic nor he'd CC me if he was scum and trade 1 for 1 for me. So he is just town.
3) You saw an opportunity to shade me and try to pocket Pao and went for it and got caught.
My work is done! Solved the game on day 1 like always.
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
If im wrong with any of those three i mentioned, Lag's wolf equity goes up quite a bit.
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How do I ISO here?
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Aight, time to focus on this game. I got mislynched in the past hour on another website.
Here's an overview. We are still at the RVS stage. I don't get why some people hated this, this is literally like, one of the best stages in FM. Now, let's talk about two things. Setup and players
Setup:
I don't think everyone should reveal their roles.
I mean... Oliver suggested everyone reveal except the medic and voter. Like, seriously?
Assuming everyone here didn't take gaokao. I am still expecting everyone here to know how to add and subtract.
As for the Medic,
Marshmallow Marshall - MM pocketed me and is successful. MM is a low-lying bastard if scum.
Lag - Lag can both be beneficial or disastrous to town.
Gikkle - Unlike before, I'm now familiar with Gikkle. I tunnelled the guy for the first 3 days and he flips town. I like his recent post, so yeah.
Loldebite - Yeet this, seriously. No explanation needed!!!
PQRnHack - Not provoking/starting a train on me?? seems new. He did it as scum before. So positive review for this guy atm.
oliverz144 - Attacking Lag straight out for meta reasons. I'm not familiar. First impression might be a bus with Lag.
Freckles - Goddamn Shark. Confirmed town!
Voss - buddying with oliver, skipping RVS, straight up IIoA post. I hate it. If Guillo wasn't active, I'll 100% vote for Voss.
Guillo - Scum reading half the pop. Still testing the waters on this guy.
Renegade - Renren is beloved Mayor in which I was last game, so I fully knew how big the responsibility of Mayor. I'm a medic and I'll protect you renren
Stealthbomber16 - Seeing no excessive AtE (if town) atm. Feels good, but also wary.
Now noobs, inspect and scumread my read list.
In case people did not know:
There are links with the words "ISO" to the left of the player names in the player list of the first post (OP) of the thread. I made them so its easy for everyone. It also includes my own ISO at the top of the list.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Setups like these can involve a lot of bussing.
oliver + lag is a possibility
pq + voss is a possibility
pq + lag is a poss
nevermind. so many variations atm.
I'll stop counting the chickens before they hatch.
I mean, we all know there are only three scum so IF all scum were in that list, im wrong about two of them, now tell me, why do you associate suspecting several players with being scum? I'm uninformed, wouldnt be more suspicious if i was townreading half the playerlist on day 1?
Tell the truth and you'll lie good.
NotPaoPan are you a new player to mafia?
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That is an actual question by the way.
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I'll be back in 9 hours or so to reread the day. Thank you for not making this a 15 page day one, everyone
my last reads list is still pretty accurate, but I haven't read page 5.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I… what?
1. Yeah, I recognized that and called someone out for commenting on it
2. You don’t think he’d CC you if he were real medic? Why not?
3. Lol ok
I’m just confused, more than anything. Like you just broke the entire theoretical smokescreen by making this play and you didn’t even get anything out of it.
I’m pretty sure you genuinely got counterclaimed and are trying to dig your way out of the hole because I called you out for a weak response…
This is the post that really breaks the illusion, by the way.
This shows me that you aren’t confident in this gambit. All that you just did was potentially out the medic. I fail to see how what you’re doing is pro-town.