Indeed the fact you are new players works on both way !
I'm sorry I didnt understand what did Martin claim? VT?
We are still D1.
Other than that, yes I would say, giving an hint about your role can work with or against you, depending on how you manage to sell your info to others.
bakermir being lynch happy with soft early random lynch fit quite well the way he played a previous game (namely the newbie starter one).
I do not know if he's trying to fake us, but looks more like a town!bakermir or a possible meta changing scum player.
To be fair, Zedus did say "weak scum list", and his point isn't bad. You seem more reserved than usual (and now I'm pretty sure you're going to burst out to "prove my point wrong" lol, but it doesn't make my current point less valid). Perhaps-vote Mesk514will fuel your excitation to "squash feeble points"?
I wouldn't read too much into this: a lot of players are silent on D1 because they don't know what to do; this is especially true about newbies. Mesk, although she's not a newbie, is one of those players. However, she usually goes at a lot of people's throat pretty aggressively at the very start, which she didn't do here, so I tend to agree with Zedus' post.
I mean, if you're going to say I wasn't agressive with how i corrected him in terms of referring me to a female, than maybe I've gotten a little soft. However, your point is just as weak. And 10/10 times you're wrong about me. But keep your vote there booboo, I always love being lynched just to prove you wrong.
So I was looking through ISO's and this string of related posts kinda pings me weird:
Why exactly would Zedus bluff about having a meta that stays the same regardless of alignment? What does he gain in this game currently from it while (presumably) acting as town?
I mean, I guess he could be preparing his meta for the future, but to call him town for bluffing as town about one's meta feels like...a weird way to town read someone?
Like not what I would expect?
I don't know. It just somehow feels weird.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I think I got a relative GTH (gun-to-head) read on everyone here who has posted so far:
Townier
Mike
Auwt
Frinckles
Marshmallow Marshall
Dark Magician
Mesk514
Varcron
Renegade
Zedus
bakermir
Thaiax
Victor (Hasn't posted at all so if I can't put him anywhere I'll put him here for the time being. Prob subbed/replaced by D2?)
Scummier
Those with lower post counts are more subject to change, though tbh this goes for everything on this list as with d1 reads in general.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I would also like to note that generally (as of the past 2 weeks or so) I've been getting off the computer and sleeping from anywhere after 2am to ~12pm EDT, so I may miss the EoD's for the forseeable future. Therefore, I would like to drop a vote within the next few hours before I get off. Because if I were to try and decide it ~30 minutes before EoD (at earliest) I probably wouldn't have enough time to evaluate the posts that had been made while I was gone.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I have a fear that some scum is going to just tunnel early in order to get town clear, in every game I've had so far some townie has early scum-read someone and charged at them for it. In my last game (which just completed on MU), that happened twice on D1. If it happens in games this often (which it has for my 3 past and only games on D1), then I get the feeling its only a matter of time that I'm going to encounter a scum that's going to do that in order to (I guess) get derp cleared because they tunneled like a town or something like that.
I mean, after all, both zedus and Bakermir were present in my first game here on Sc2Mafia where a townie (Zedus) tried to charge and yeet me. Call it WIFOM paranoia if you wish, but I don't want to give wanton blind spots in my meta.
Additionally, post #234 pings me wrong when it mentions this:
and later this:
It makes me wonder if his early charge or tunnel was planned, because it kinda feels like he's trying to reveal the "ingeniousness" or "towniness" of his actions and posts in order to be town-read. Hypothetically, if he were scum, then I would imagine that scum may let such a state stay where it is with MM + Mike + Bakermir.
Don't get me wrong though, sometimes townie plans are good -- but when I've done that it's usually on the attack and not on the defense.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
no no no no, don't misrepresent what I said. You may have misunderstood what I said but don't misrepresent it. I did exactly what I always do when someone calls me a dude. Sometime's maybe too aggressive. You may not take that as aggressive, but that is how I am, and it usually comes off as agressive. SO IF YOU DIDN'T TAKE IT AS AGGRESSIVE THEN THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. and once more you look like a twit.
Look, I'm not a fan of you, you're not a fan of me, but I have absolutely zero problems make you look stupid along with me. Again, like I said, 10/10 you're wrong about me unless your scum. So quit with the pressure to make me spiral, because again, I give no fucks.
Spoiler : Zedus wallpost :
I expect that Virus will play like a townie until the Mafia isn't a threat anymore. We should hunt for Mafia first and then work on lynching the Virus.
I like the slightly paranoid touch of this post. I also like the "potential TvT" feeling Zedus is expressing here.
Also, I'm a bit lost about Varcron's posts here...
Here's my list of reads. Those who aren't in it are part of the Null Line (in other words, I haven't made my mind on them yet, or they haven't posted yet).
Mike & Bakermir. These two look like TvT.
Zedus. Seems to be honest, points out lies/untrue things, doing what a townie should do on D1. This read isn't based on anything strong, though, and could very well change when more informations come in.
---___---___--- The Null Line ---___---___---
Auwt. Very slightly scummy when he addressed the TPR-hunting (inconsistencies in his posts), didn't address me when I asked him to clarify his thoughts on the matter.
Mesk514. Exists. Little discussion on game-related topics despite the presence of such topics in the thread (such as the Mike-Bakermir interaction discussion). Seems to be slightly off her meta (slightly unsure about that one though).
Dark Magician. Started the game with TPR-hunting. I haven't noticed anything positive from them, so they're sitting at the bottom of my list even though I hope to find a better lynch than that.
My votes on D1 are meant to pressure people, to get reactions out of them. If they get townier and townier, I unvote. If they get scummier and scummier, I keep my vote where I placed it. I don't think "no doctor" claim is scummier, I simply think it deserved my attention and the town's. Same with Mesk. DM is also on my scum list, and my vote will probably end up finding its way to him eventually, either today or tomorrow. I could get on board for a DM push rn, though.
The ironic part about this is your argument so far is basically that "I'm off my Meta", "not as aggressive". My meta is literally I don't give a fuck, and I say what I want, because after you've placed 5 years on this site you start to realize that people don't like to use their brains, and it becomes increasingly frustrating to game after game have to put them in check WHEN YOU ROLE TOWN ALL THE DAMN TIME.
What? That's not what I said lmao.
I'm talking about Mike, not you TPR-hunting... This post almost looks too bad to be bad, because you're basically asking us to stop discussing our scumread on you based on a deformation of my words. Hmm.-vote Dark Magician
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aggressive
I'm using the word in its third meaning here. Not "aggressive" as in "FUCK YOU", but "aggressive" as in "This is incoherent: you said X, but then you said Y and Z" or similar points. Also, I'm gonna avoid this conversation because it is rather unlikely to lead to anything fun or productive; just know that I'm expecting content-related interventions.
Still waiting on your conclusions there @Renegade : you brought up a good point about Mike and an... arguable point about Zedus, but didn't finish your reasoning. What does their behaviors mean to you alignment-wise?
The day ends in 12 hours. Here's the vote count.
Dark Magician (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
bakermir (1 [L-6]):
Frinckles
LYNCH IS MAJORITY. PUT YOUR VOTES ON YOUR SCUMREADS.
No lynch is a terrible option in this game (mafia factional kill + trapper kill + no lynch = townies dying and scums surviving). Put your vote where your mouth is, guys. FORWARD!!!!
I'm just not going to engage with you, how about that. Because again, the lights are on but no one's home with you. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. However, I challenge you to find a scum game of mine where I was toxic or even remotely stepped near the line of toxicity. How about that for Meta. Because, when you role town, and people say inaccurate shit about you IT GET'S INCREASINGLY FRUSTRATING to deal with the same shit over and over again.
like do i literally have to say it. I AM MESK, I AM ALWAYS TOWN, and that's that. Believe it, or whatever. Literally your loss if you're town.
How is Zedus being "non trusting in many regards"? He doesn't seem to trust or distrust more than other players to me. Also, what are your reads? You are basically disregarding DM's TPR-hunting since you townread him, and I don't remember your take on Mike-Bakermir (if you had one). The fact is that you have posted a non-zero amount of times, so it's strange that there are so many holes. Perhaps it's just me being confused though lol.
And honestly, if you want to go off Meta, just saying that and my job here is done. Because that's what my Meta is. A toxic cunt, with a shitty day 1 play, very accurate reads with shit persuasive skills. EZ
All other arguments shall be dismissed from here on out, cause I've done everything I've needed to do besides vote. the rest is just doing the most.
*Yawns*
Where's the fresh meat at? I need someone with an actual brain to pick
I'll admit, these are preety much the same thoughts I had regarding him except I was slightly more concerned that quite a few of his posts were concerned about Zedus rather than the game or thread state. That could just be Renegade being Renegade, but it could also be an excuse to be seen as interacting itt (in-the-thread).
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I only have one vote though. Which means I gotta choose among my scum-reads which I would like to vote most.
-vote Bakermir
Vote subject to possible change in the next (roughly 2 hours) before I head off for the rest of D1, if any change is deemed warranted by me.
Don't consider this to be my final vote at the moment.
I also await the replacement of Thaiax and Victor, presuming they don't post more before EoD1.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I will not be around for EOD seeing what time it is tomorrow. I will likely not lay down a vote as my reads are not solid enough to justify it.