Also I claim the 200th post of this game
Also I claim the 200th post of this game
Ok so. “I’m not exactly PR Hunting. I am only removing you from the possibility of being a PR that wants to live
According to you, this is ok to say.
Also, I’ll note that your not entirely convinced that PR hunting is scummy.
So if you ever say in confidence it is I can catch you out on it.
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Continuation of my autosaved post (my connection failed me earlier).
Which implies that all scum (including the virus) will pile on a townie in a painfully obvious way to get him lynched on D1, and then give us a ton of information to work with against them. Hmm, I think I like that!
"I did not like your hard claim" kinda looks like a read to me...
Excuse me, but what is the town!MM play you're used to? Being passive and not voting people? If so, I don't know who you've been playing with . I've always jumped on people early on to get reactions out, and this is no exception. If you're town, stop OMGUSing, take an objective step back and reevaluate your reads.
Umm, Bakermir said this:
Which is true lol. He never said you had hard claimed a specific role. You're the one painting it (or misunderstanding it, if you're town) as such.
To be fair, you didn't TPR hunt, and Bakermir did accuse you of it, which is wrong... but you played in TPR claiming stuff and now people misinterpret your posts, and I think that was an honest mistake on Bakermir's part.
Minus the part about not TPR-hunting, what you gave was 100 % BS lol. That being said, you two smell like TvT (or Town vs Virus who plays like a townie). Bakermir is a medium-strong townread of mine atm, and you are a light townread because of the interactions between you two and because of the way you're escalating the argument. That being said, if one of you is scum, I'd really bet it's you.
-unvote
To be fair, claiming not to be a specific power role without giving more indications isn't really bad... he's not removing the possibility of anything because WIFOM exists. And from now on, it would be nice to stop demolishing that WIFOM by endlessly discussing the claim.
That doesn't matter. The point of mass claiming is to put wolves in a box. There's the box of Citizen claims and there's the box of TPR claims. We lynch where claims conflict, and we win. As much as delaying the massclaiming gives time to mafia, it also gives time to town to actually use their actions without dying. If we claim immediatly, the Sheriff is basically doomed and the Doctor is also likely to die, since Mafia will be able to PoE his identity down.
I love how you think not claiming a role is scummy. Let’s look at it. I was baiting the scum kill . I am a VT so I need to bait the attack. Do I want to die in the night hell no. So I claim not medic that way the real medic would know to try and heal me in the night. The reason I am scum reading you MM Is not omgus it is because you know this is what I do when I am not a PR. And not scum. As scum day 1. I am always leaking getting a feel on who to push. YOU Know this. Day 2 and on I am interjecting a lot. This is why I am scum reading you. I have stated facts and can back them up. You saying I am bullshit is bullshit. MM do I know if you are SCUM. No I Don’t. But I have A hard scum lean on you. Would I lynch you today NO. Would I want some one to check you tonight hell yes. Because if i can find you as town I believe we would have a good chance to win this.
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I can say that where anyone agrees with this or not this is what town MM would say. This argument is good and bad at the same time. Bad side we lose a our TPR roles. Good news is we can follow the cop. Bad news cops read can be wrong as there is a wolf that is immune to investagation. This setup is anti claim. Here is what is bad for town. Wolfs have a role cop. They find out someone’s role at night that person does not claim it mafia kills them and fake claims there role.
@AIVION do the flips show role or just alignment?
If the flips show role mass claimong is bad for town. If flips do not show roles and only alignment mass claiming is good so we do not follow a fake claimed PR.
So no one people no one claim there roles.
MM do you disagree with this?
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I know my typing is really bad I am on my phone in bed it is 2:20 am. I do not see how you are town reading baker l. That part is what is blowing my mind.
Ok MM I am going to pretend in my mind you are town. Please show me why he is town not just say he is.
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Because you two are going at eachother's throats with faith. Bakermir has no reason to knowingly lie about you TPR hunting this early: it will only get him lynched, and definetly not get you lynched. I'm also taking into account the fact that last time he was scum (in Instant Mafia), he put up a fencesitting game, and that this strategy would the exact opposite of a fencesitting game.
I like darks response to when I called him out for or hunting. I find that (I am in bed not at comp with my notes) the guy I talked to at the very start of game. I fell he is town. I liked his interactions felt genuine. Mesk I have a null read on. Mm you are acting very townie right now but I know it is in your range to do that as scum. But what scares me about you is you can be scum but I would never lynch you for possible other reads. I would give you a Day 1 and day 2 pass. You are not an easy read. I did not find you until later in game and I did not even know it was you lol.
I still believe burger is Scum. Renagde fells off I am not sure if he is overzealous town or scum looking for an opportunity. Hard to read witch at this point.
I do not like Varacron but I would put him in the same category as Renagade.
Awalt I really like I think is townie. I was thinking at first he was trying to pocket me but his responses to it was so townie to me.
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Bakermir also played a town game where his actions fit quite well the way he is playing right now.
That is why I also believe he is some sort of a townie therefore I was willing him to unvote, which he did.
I do not want to see an early Town vs Town D1 train lynch, scums will just have to jump in this whenever they want at the best timing.
Mike's defense was really decent and the way he replied at bakermir, didnt slip any scum smell to me.
Hello, again. Now I am here, but I need some time to read with attention all the posts I missed. But first I must to do the one thing. Sorry, this will be offtopic, and I hope, last offtopic from me.
Noone like shittalking in mafia games. After I slept and looked at previous posts with a fresh mind, I have seen that at first hours of the game I was the first shittalker, because I mentioned previous game then I speak to Martin. As result, some players were involved into offtopic about previous game, and looks like some echo of this theme still present in game. But this is another game.
I should not remind Martin previous game bullshit, first because he playing another game now, second because this bullshit not related to the new game. Now I came back, started to read the topic and I see how many people talking about our previous game confrontation, not about the current game. Also looks like I insulted Martin with this, thats also bad thing for me. I apologize to Martin and others for my shittalking in the first post. I must not involve previous game shit into new game, and I sorry for that.
(sorry for my bad english, I hope you got what I trying to say)
Now, plz, give me the time to read and analyze, looks like everyone in game now, and I will try to do some conclusions and public it.
I disagree with this. I wanted to explain why but then I would be exposing someone who could essentially flip town even though I give it no chances. I know I should have kept silent but I had to mention this because we need more town reads before making a move. Also, continuing this mike vs bakermir, mm discussion will only help mafia agenda to figure out more things about rest of us. That's why I didn't wanna push and every time MIke went for it. Now I feel like I am spilling some beans here, that's another scum point for him. This is not a sheep play coming from him. So his citizen claim is bogus and contradictory to his play.
We like to believe speculating is bad, I see some people are not interested in this. So, It is WIFOM game for everyone it seems. Because of this masquerade we are placed in, I have no other tool than speculating with reads and leads.
At any point, I will not stop speculating. Will I share my thoughts? Only when I need it to win (insert evil laughter here if you want)
Here is the basis of my speculation which I would like to share with everyone since we are on this stage for so long anyway;
Mike is not innocent at all and successfully placed himself to a place where mafia or virus won't touch and placed both me and MM on the other side where only one of us will get to live if mafia or virus ever takes a chance at night.
This wasn't my choice. Mike placed us in this.
With that said, all three of us are lynch proof for the time being. That is what mafia knows for D1.
Think about D2 from out position;
If one of us die tonight, the other two will be the biggest suspects tomorrow. Only one of the remaining could flip town or both could flip scum, seeing the person died at night is town.
So only one of us is vulnerable to mafia tonight. Other two will be protected by mafia at night.
This is of course if they decide visit one of us. Honestly, I give this a small chance. There is a second, more normal scenario:
I think mafia will be killing someone else tonight and instead we will most likely attract the virus as a result of all this exchangewith Mike.
So if we are visited tonight, that only means one of us is most likely evil. If none of us are visited then it opens up the possibility where all 3 of us could be town with a possibility of one of us dying to virus or being the virus itself.
Assuming the virus will be very passive on D1 and mafia will have at least one "spokesperson", there is a higher chance all 3 of us could be town. But down in the line, we are in this place where 3 of us are on plate and we don't know who will be served first.
I am quite concerned by all of that honestly.
Take my speculations serious or not. Everyone will make their own reads and work for their wincon. I am not out here to convince people to believe in my speculations. So ignore my ideas if you are convinced in to another world but please don't forget any of this if one of us die tonight.
I townread MM, I just don't see how Mike scumreads him based on MM's involvement in favor of my case. MM and I have nothing to do with each other but we ended up having similar concerns on how Mike tried to place himself on the good side of both town and mafia.
Do not think this post is about me fencesitting between MM and Mike. It is not a trap for town. I just can't think of any other scenario between the three of us.
On a side note; what are we planning to do with Thaiax?
If they remain like this then I see no other option but lynch this slot. We will never figure out what they could be without their participation. So far his only post indicates he is willing to follow a lynch train
Well, wall of text time.
First, once more about setup. 12 ppl to analyze is hard. As D&D and other table roleplay games player and master I have opinion that 7 ppl is like a critical mass, more then 7 is impossible to play. We have 13 here, and I know only one townie - myself. How to track everyone else? Well, I will try to do it this way. I will read the topic and add some info for everyone in my special text file for scum-hunting. After that I will post this file. And now this file consist this things:
Auwt
Well, he started the game from "XXX is playing the game same/another way", where XXX is players from the last game we played. Well, this is another game, man. He noticed, that Martin plays with his statistics again, well, I still think statistics is not the realy thing you can rely on hardly.
Well, and giving town more time to get info too. This is the setup I realy afraid of misslynch. And I cannot agree with you at this point. But also you said:
Am I only one seeing inconsistency in this? Or maybe I missundestood you? Explain, please.
But the thing I totaly agree is that the Mike is act like town, but Bakermir and MM pushing him for no reason.
You have reasons to protect Mike and pointed on some staff that I missed in my investigations. It tipped the scales in your favor, now I put you in my weak town list (weak doesn't means you are weak, I mean my reasons to put you in are weak), but I waiting for explanations.
Weak town list.
bakermir
Entered the game, talks to Martin a lot, voted Mike with no reason... Well, I offered for our probably hunter the deal: shoot the last voter if we lynch the innocent. After that Renegade said that mafia will not vote in a last second now. Well, I will be happy with it, if they will afraid hunter's shoot. But what If mafia will start train on someone, like MM and Bakermir did? Well, they can. And now the quote:
You think, you are safe with this now? No.
Paranoic mode ON. What if Barkermir, MM and Mike are mafia team, who planned all this show in mafia chat to get this "lynch proof" state? Well, "lynch proof" is weak for me, I see no reason not to lynch you. The question is "is Mike in your scum team or not?" According to my conclusions, Mike is town. But you looks suspicious with this "lynch proof" pretending. Paranoic mode OFF.
Weakest attempt to make fake connection between me and Mike. Now this make me stronger to see Mike is town and you are not.
Another thing: most suspicious TPR-hunting person (DM) said he "townreads" you. With no any explanation. And this is one more reason to put you in scum list.
You can be scum with MM in team, or even MM and Mike in team (low chance, but I cannot exclude it)
You can be scum with DM in team (more likely). At least MM pointed that DM is scummy-like TPR-hunter, you just ignored that.
Very suspicuous.
Scum list.
Dark Magician
He started his game from TPR hunting. After I pointed on that, he made 5 POSTS IN A ROW and trying some weak and helpless attack on me, that make me stronger to see him as scared scum. And every his following post make him scumiest and scumiest in my eyes. He bring no useful info into the game, even then he making 5 posts in a row. This "I am watching you", "I will remind you" and other "scary" posts from him looks weak and pathetic for me. Catched on TPR hunting, most possible scum here, scared and trying to get his face back.
Also he said "I TR bakermir" with no any explanation. Well, he is member of "reading" cult, as most of you, but this "read" means nothing, especially from scummy TPR hunter.
Low game presence, violent 5 posts reaction to the accusation, no explanation on "reads", TPR hunting.
Strong scum list.
Frinckles
He have like no game presence. This single word posts: "hello", "no"... I know there is some cult of "reading" at this site, and most of you sure "reading" is works and you able to "read" (spoiler: sorry, no, you are not). This tiny one-word posts looks like "I will give for you nothing you can "read", deal with it". From this point Frinckles looks like scum. But I am not the member of your "reading" cult, so maybe I am wrong here.
Weak scum list for now.
Marshmallow Marshall
This comrade agreed that TPR hunting is scum's job (because it is). Also I am agree with this:
Looks like enougth to put him on town list? Well, no. The problem is that he is voted Mike, and that established link between MM and Bakermir. He agreed with me about scummy DM, but voted another person for... what? Claiming "not doctor"? What can this means:
1. MM is DM's teammate, softly agreed that DM is suspicious (to get town points), but trying to turn town another way.
2. MM is townie, and TPR hunting for him is not such suspicious as "no doctor" claim. Why?
Hope you will explain this. I realy want to see you in my town team, but maybe it's just personal.
Neut list for now, I will change it based on your explanation.
MartinGG99
Looks like he is confused with complexity of this setup. At the start of the game he trying his "math way" again, but it's hard to use it. The only thing I noticed: he scared of d1 misslynch, and acting with caution, like he don't want to be the lynch train member. Well, there is connection with him and Renegade, but I already put Renegade in my town list. That doesn't means that Martin is town. I am still not sure about him, but he is looks like townie, who afraid of his mistakes. Well, need more info, can you form your scumlist, Martin?
Mabye I will change opinion some way after he will answer.
Neut list for now.
Mesk514
One more shady person with low game presence, like Frinckles. He answered fast for newbie's question, so he is not far away, he observing the game with attention, but doing nothing to help town to get info. Well, I playing this way as neutral evil in MOD, maybe he is virus? Or social distancing mafia?
Weak scum list for now.
Mike
He appears with useless "first post" message, and he looks like just one guy happy to play.
He have some personal strat with this "I am not Shaman" claim "bait", but I am not sure it works. What's the point for mafia attack for just "I am not a Shaman" claim? Mafia will first try to attack some TPR if they found one, or some probably smart town leader in their eyes.
He pointed out that Dark Magician TPR hunting. I noticed that too, same as some other players. I agree with him.
He explained well that mafia is interesting in. And I am agree with him too.
So, what's the reason on this votes on Mike? Removing focus from DM? Trying to randomly lynch this "not doctor" claim for... what?
He acts like town and he looks like town for me, and I see no any message from him that I can count as scum-like.
And thats my own common citizen playstyle. I am a bit jealous he take my flag for this time because game started at saturday evening (that was evening in Moscow, then it starts, you know?) and I realy had no chance for deep participating from start.
Town list.
Renegade
Well, he started the game again with this "ego" bullshit and weak attempts to insult me (you have no chance, man, I am immune to this), but that is our old confrontation. Well, if I were mafia and he was my teammate, I should realy sold him to get town points, like I doing with Drapoel and others like him in MOD Well, I have reason to agree we are the same team. Town team. And huge reason for me to think so is this:
Well, it's clear for me why this one talking about "ego" so much But I cannot admit that Renegade is that kind of dick, who will just throw the game for 2 other players in his possible mafia team and will realy make this game not interesting for others. Thats why I think he is town, well, maybe the virus, but most likely town. It's true I can enjoy watching him lynched, but the game means more for me. And I put him to my...
Strong town list.
Thaiax
Well, should I buy this "hello, I am new"? No game presence at all, but only 4 posts at forum. Well, he is new. Does it means he is scum? No. Does it means he is not scum? No. Well, maybe it's not bad scum strat that everyone don't care about your presence in game, because you did one post and dissapear. Start play, please, man. Now you are in my weak scum list, but I think I will fastly remove you after you will participate in the discussion a bit more.
Weak scum list
Varcron
Yes, I agree
Not agree, I will unvote on afk too to deny lynch train including my vote, because new info can appear in game.
Well, Varcron included to this "reading" dialogue with DM, that makes him suspicious a bit and dissapeared.
Hope he will show a bit more game presence.
Weak scum list for now.
Victor
Am I missed him? Maybe I am blind, but I see no this player in game.
Well...Maybe we need to replace him?
Boring neut list. Or afk list maybe?
Zedus
The only person I can trust here.
Ultimate town list.
I think we must push Dark Magician first. He scared even then 2 ppl pointed on his scummy plays, so we need to push him more to out his true face.
-vote Dark Magician
Omfg... This my text looks more unreadable then I think it is... My short town/scum list:
Town:
Auwt
Mike
Renegade
Zedus
Neut:
Marshmallow Marshall
MartinGG99
Victor (who is it btw?)
Weak scum (low game presence, will remove if they will start to play more active):
Frinckles
Mesk514
Thailax
Vacron
Scums:
Barkermir
Dark Magician
Also, question for host. @AIVION , please, answer, do mafia have their mafia chat now to communicate or only at night?
Based on your answer I will think about possible mafia strats and make one more huge post, I think.
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To Mike: Roles. Which will in turn show Alignment. To Zedus: They have communications at night only. Also Zedus, you edited the post you asked this question in. Editing posts in FM Is against the rules so I must ask you don't do it again Or you will unfortunately be punished for it. Thanks!
Also I want to answer a question/concern that's been mentioned in the thread and also been DM'd to me a few times publicly so people know about it. It's about how the Random Tribesmen Slot works:
That slot can be any of the following roles: Detective, Shaman, Sheriff, Vigilant, Citizen. So basically there CAN be more than 1 type of power role (Like 2 vigilants 2 sheriffs 2 white mages etc).
Figured I'd answer that now.
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Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
Totally changing a way you are acting is very difficult. Even if you try to, some habits or inconsistencies would show up.
Ignoring previous games isn't possible for me, sorry.
There are so much infos considering everyone's behaviour I gathered playing with all of you, that I have to use those kind of arguments and reasoning
The fact is not to agree or not with me. Many investigative roles can be lured into nothing because of the Omega Wolf hiding the Alpha one or so on.
There is no inconsistency here from my pov. To clarify, if you want a quick early D1 vote, you are most likely playing against Town because you want to be at night so that there is not much discussion.
And by the way, you are making me laugh each time you put yourself in your read list XD
Well, I just copy player list, make it alphabetical and answer what am I think about everyone
As for my vote, I don't want some lynch train on DM, and I am ready to unvote then I will go to sleep again or if there will be a lot of votes on him. I just think he is most scummy at this moment in his plays. But I can be wrong, and evils can be that 4 ppl from my weak scum list with some low game presence strat. I seen stupid d1 lynches and I don't want to participate in it.
Nice to know that. That mean we are strongest at this point, because mafia have no some strategy they consider to accept and play, but they will form it up this night.
That means we should look at some probably playstyle changes at d2, then mafia strategy will be chosen.
Well, the bad for me that now I afraid to tell my thoughts about probably mafia strats, because I can help mafia, they can get my probably strat as advice. I will think about it for some time. I see 3 possible strong strats they can use, but what if I reveal it and give them the way to play vs us?
I answered you already in PM, then you asked me what have I edited. I edited your name to put a link to you, because I made mistake in your name. Sorry, I will not edit more, I just not wanted to spam the thread with my similar message.
Zedus,
I find this entire thing very disrespectful so I will be showing the same manners to you...
No reason? I don't want to keep repeating myself. Re-read my posts please.
It is a long game. It would be pretty silly for mafia to show colours like that at this moment. Don't be silly.
Then I invite you to lynch one of us and not Dark Magician. Be the man of your word.
You have your speculations and I have mine. With all respect to your reads, I believe you are contradicting yourself here on moral grounds when you can easily suspect people off based on your speculations and not even consider reading into Mike.
There is ONE certain post Mike made about you and you ignored it completely until this far. If you think you have sharp eyes and keen mind then prove me by finding the post I am talking about.Give us your defense because if you don't then YOU ARE SCUM! This reads list with hardlocking Mike on town doesn't look good together with the first page posts coming from YOU. Why is Mike so special to you ZEDUS HMMM??????
You smell the wolf in this slot or somehow you know it. This is what I read from this. However, I bet my money you two are on opposite sides. If you are going to fencesit with people then I have no reason to follow your reads but do the opposite.
"high five partner"
Well if you would do the same then why would you hardlock scum me and then scumlean varcron. All of this makes no sense to me.
A lot of contradictions with things you say and do Zedus.
No, we must not push Dark Magician first. Instead, you should be the one pushed here with all the scummy plays pointed by your own contradictions and now trying to get a role out of someone who can clearly read good. Why good? Because you are disturbed by how accurate I poked my stick into the unknown or Dark Magician and their magical visions for that matter. The only thing saving Mike right now is the certain post I talked about he made way early into the game, post about questioning your motives. I think the way longer you avoid that, the more I will believe you are evil.
We both can play the paranoia game.
Yes, and we have to.
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Zedus, bakermir, Dark Magician
Looks like I am surrounded by scums. My paranoia said me to hide and wait for other townies to get majority here.
Well, I had some questions to different players, and I will wait for answers, then form one more large post. I don't want my previous post spammed town and someone will miss it. So now I taking a break for 1-2 hours. This game is realy hardest one for me, I cannot keep in mind the actions of 12 different players. Hope I will get my answers. Maybe I will change my opinion about you and DM. And yes, I can vote you, not DM you protecting so hard. He is just more suspicious then you, that's all. I can accept I can be wrong about one of you, and I afraid to make a mistake and miss something. Now I going afk for a bit, I need answers and town opinion about explaining probably mafia strats.
Why be paranoid when you envy Mike and his "citizen" play? You indicated you are citizen then why be afraid?
What are you hiding Zedus?
No sir. bakermir needs answers, Mike needs answers. town needs answers..
WE need answers. Not you.
Once you answer this, then I will take you more seriously and consider your perspective into this game.
Find the post I am talking about or you are the prime evil here.