Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
By the way, since you value the science of intelligence so much, care to account for why multiple studies show that conservatives are largely stupider (both in terms of IQ and general intelligence) than liberals?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....90272510361602
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...56797611421206
And why people who watch Fox News are in general less informed than people who watch no news at all?
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2604679
https://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/final.pdf
Indeed, I was reacting to the idea that talking about IQ differences is racist. I have not looked at that particular study in depth, I will though. For now, it seems to me that there’s a strong genetic component to intelligence.
Anyway, which of the flaws would you like to discuss?
This is true, yes. Liberals are high in openness (and therefore in creativity). It’s why many in academia are on the left wing. The issue I think is that so-called liberals nowadays aren’t very liberal. I don’t know if I am a liberal or a conservative; that’s a tough question. I’m somewhere in the center and right leaning, but I don’t like describing myself as a conservative. I guess you could say I’m conservative about my liberalism.
Conservative liberal?
Many entrepreneurs are liberal btw.
The broken term of "liberal" is an American(Maybe North American) creation that seems to refer to social issues. Outside of CanMerica "Liberal" is more of a "Liberatarian lite" or neo-liberal in the context of economics. It means economic liberalism, i.e. deregulation and tax cuts. I believe this is opposite to what North Americans refer to as "liberal".
What CanMericans would consider "Liberal" social policy would probably be described as socially progressive or simply left.
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@Frinckles is Michael Jackson
You can be an evil genius or a good person with Downs.
Was Ted Bundy stupid? Probably not, not as far as I know.
He made it to college which indicates his IQ was >= 115. And as we all know, he was an evil prick.
An even better example is Ted Kaczynski (the UNABomber). He went to Harvard when he was 16 and became a professor very young. He used to send bombs to various organizations he didn’t like.
Sorry, you might be right about the numbers there, although I’m not going by IQ -> income -> intelligence; intelligence comes immediately after IQ. Intelligence itself refers to general intelligence, which is more or less a conglomerate of spatial, verbal and (mathematical?) intelligence. This might be weird but really it’s mostly intelligence <- IQ -> ‘life outcome’. Which is sort of complicated. And now imagine there’s a dotted curve going between intelligence and life outcome.
Secondly MM pm’d me and he thinks I did not present my views properly and that that made people think I am some kind of racist. If you look at the racial adoption studies, it’s really a grim literature. You really think I want certain groups to be less intelligent than others? I actually didn’t believe the studies myself at first, either, but they’re tough to dispute. One thing though, this absolutely doesn’t imply we should start viewing blacks as inferior or whatever. We tried something like that during the WWII (Germany did); look how it turned out. It’s completely immoral, and we shouldn’t start killing people for any reason.
Holy fucking shit. It's time to stop swallowing everything that Fox News gives you and it's time you actually research everything you hear rather than have your pants down and bending over for agenda-pushing media. They are literally shitting down your mouth with the propaganda machine.
To argue that genetics is the sole reason for IQ is extremely fucking racist, because you are largely ignoring the fact that African-Americans have been exploited economically and socially throughout their lives. You are ignoring the funding gap between non-white schools and white schools in the US. You are ignoring the economical struggle that African-Americans have had to go through since the abolishment of slavery, such as sharecropping, Jim Crow Laws and modern day Cancer Alley.
Instead of listening to Peter Wankerson, Ben Shapiro or whatever you listen to, you should look into the Pygmalion Effect. Basically with better education and higher expectations of students, you could expect a higher IQ of those students. However because there is lower funding for non-white schools, the opposite effect takes place. The way funding works for American schools is actually counter-intuitive and doesn't improve on decreasing poverty and crime rates. It really has nothing to do with genetics. Race has nothing to do with intellectual genotype, race is better used to describe your physical phenotype.
On a side note it's actually really funny how Fox News and other Trump cum-gargling motherfuckers will use shitty scientific evidence to fuel racism. However when it comes to abortion, global warming, or vaccination, they will immediately discard all scientific evidence and rely on morality or some other bullshit.
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Lol what
i don’t understand this moral outrage over my post. I did not say it was the sole reason, I said it was the main reason.
I’ve never been described as a ‘cum-gargling Trump supporter’, though, that’s hilarious. Also homophobic btw :P
And yes, genetics plays a very significant role in IQ. Like 80%...
It’s hilarious you’ve spewed so much shit about me xD I don’t even listen to political figures that much, mostly to academics. I don’t like Shapiro, I feel he’s too conservative and I do not agree with his stance of abortion. I’ve never even heard of the other guy you just mentioned.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.10544.pdf
It’s easy enough to find studies that support either narrative. I believe what many of the others here are trying to say is that it would probably be best if you sought sources from both sides and then decided what to believe. If you only look at right-leaning sources that’s the only side you’ll ever hear, and the same is true for the left.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
You’re right. I will look at the study in a bit. Maybe I’m wrong. Would be nice if I were...
Arthur Jensen's studies have been refuted by various other scientific studies, such as Turkheimer's studies, who claims IQ varies with socioeconomic status. So if Peter is using Arthur Jensen's studies without a solid basis, it seems like he may be trying to push a racist agenda.
Literally not a single personal attack in my post. If you can point out this so-called attack on my post, then I'll edit it out. But as it seems, I never called anyone an offensive derogatory term. Let's not be snowflakes now.
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Also don't just look into the end result of any research/statistics.
You will often find that the conclusion presented is very easily weighed.
For example, during our election the blue party attacked the red party's plan to raise tax. Claiming that on average everyone in the UK will be paying thousands of more tax.
Yet, the red party had only planned to raise taxes for those who earn over 85'000 or so. Which would mean that the majority of the population wouldn't see any tax raise and it was only for the rich.
But because the blue party included EVERYONE (including those who wouldn't have to pay more) and then slammed it into an average to make it look like everyone was going to pay.
Blues conclusion isn't wrong, it's just wrongly presented.
Another example is if there was an article on how more people died this year due too the heat than every before.
Yet that article excluded the rise in population and only took on pure number, and excluded other effects like how many less died from the cold.
So don't go taking "results" too heart as fact. Make sure you research how it was reached, and presented.
You will see r
Propaganda networks do this a lot, they also present unrelated correlation. Like that time fox showed the rise in the stock market and compared it to Floyd's death.
Showing it like this makes some people think his death=benefit.
Also as a general rule of thumb, if you have to start pulling out the dictionary to prove you aren't racist, you're probably racist as fuck lmao.
No Lives Matter until Black Lives Matter
source: https://twitter.com/Elianora/status/1269620332463378432
Not really. This is more like only putting the focus on the Amazon Rainforest while ignoring other rainforests on the planet. To put the focus on solely African-Americans is not including the other minorities in the US that constantly face racism and police brutality on a daily basis as well. If the BLM movement was instead called Minority Lives Matter, it would probably clarify any misleading implications.
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I'm a minority (latino) who has faced discrimination for my ethnicity. But this movement isn't about me. I don't want to drown out black voices that want and need to be heard. They have their movement, and I will support their movement instead of trying to make it about me. I urge others to do the same.
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*munches popocorn*
uuwu
I'm not against the majority of goals from the movement. I believe it has its heart in a good place, as the goal of the movement is to defund the police and to increase funding of poorer schools and poorer neighborhoods.
The name of the movement is just absolutely garbage because of the double standards it implies. If a Latino, Asian, or Native American dies tomorrow by the hands of a cop, the black community won't pour outrage. They genuinely don't give a damn. Every single social outrage about police brutality has always been from the result of an African-American beating/death. Martin Luther King protests, Rodney King, Trayvon Martin, Ferguson, you name it. Has there ever been a protest for any other minority race being brutalized by a cop? I legitimately haven't seen one.
If tomorrow, racial relations improve between white and blacks, where does that leave the people in the middle? Where does that leave Tony Timpa? Because the truth is, race isn't the only factor in being a minority. I just hope that in the future, if any other minority group gets discriminated against, there will be a vocal outrage of the same magnitude.
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A lot of what you're saying here is just conjecture. Saying that "the black community" won't pour outrage over police brutality of other minorities, or that they don't give a damn isn't true.
That being said, there is more social outrage over blacks being victims of violence because they are more likely and are more often victims. Look at some statistics about deaths due to lethal force from law enforcement. Blacks are disproportionately harmed or killed more than any other race or ethnicity.
If racial relations improve between white and blacks and somehow are still bad/worse among other minorities, I have no doubt that the blacks that marched with BLM will also support a future "minorities lives matter" or "Hispanics lives matter" or whatever new movement comes of it.
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Ganelon: fox news told me that leftists hate me and want me to hate myself because i am privileged, which is bad
leftists: we do not hate you or want you to hate yourself
Ganelon: no, you are wrong. fox news told me that you do
Ganelon: white privilege does not exist because there is a black person who has more money than me
everyone: that isn't how it works
Ganelon: yes it is. white privilege will only exist when every single white person is richer than every single black person
The good news about IQ being 80% genetic in adulthood is that you people who grew up in shitty environments outgrow them. So if you had a rough childhood it doesn’t mean it’ll still affect you when you’re an adult.
This is just me talking out of my ass but I think neuroticism is one of the reasons for that discrepancy.
i get ur political views differ vastly from gane. however, ur an admin and should behave better than this. if ur going to argue here, at least be civil.
what r u hoping to achieve here anyway? it's not like gane lives in the U.S. i don't think u do either; didn't u say u live in canada?
if u want to make a change, u should be like apocist, who protested and donated to the cause. the debates i've seen on this site and on the discord servers have no purpose or coalition behind them. IOW, they're just a political anger dump.
if u hate gane's views so much, u can either a) ban gane b) create a rule limiting political discussion so these situations don't occur