S-FM 291: Fractured Whizzbang (12P)

[Kovath]

Isn't this what you're doing now? You are basically now trying to divert attention towards MM as you stated in this very post, basically making him the better lynch target.

What do you mean? The situation the quote refers to was one where I was on the outside, and my vote ended up deciding whether Magoroth or MM died.

In the present situation, I am the prospective lynch target. I know I am town, and lynching me would be really bad for town. What I was pointing out to Frinckles was that it was illogical in -his perspective- to vote for me. In other words, he was being either misguided or scummy. If you don't agree with the argument, please post your rebuttal.

[Frinckles]

Okay.



I just stated why the world(s) you believe in make MM a MECHANICALLY better lynch, I still don't know what you're doing. You also had some weird logic day 1 when Othello-connecting me with Magoroth, as you gave Magoroth no towncred throughout the day except for that one post; this along with calling me towny fairly consistently and using that, in turn, to throw my name into the prospective-lynch-pile throughout the day.

Magoroth got no town cred because until the end of the day, he wasn't townie. MM should not be playing this game right now and you + Wiisp derailed what was otherwise a fine lynch train. Now we've possibly lost a town power role in a game where five or more people are lurking and not contributing.

If you think I'm scum, feel free to vote me. I'm not sure if you're scum yet; My point was there are better lynches.

[Kovath]

Magoroth got no town cred because until the end of the day, he wasn't townie. MM should not be playing this game right now and you + Wiisp derailed what was otherwise a fine lynch train. Now we've possibly lost a town power role in a game where five or more people are lurking and not contributing.

If you think I'm scum, feel free to vote me. I'm not sure if you're scum yet; My point was there are better lynches.

If you never gave Magoroth any towncred at all, why did you make the post about Magoroth and I being your "shoot your shit" scumteam with the logic that it was because we looked virtuous or whatever the phrasing was?

You actually think Magoroth was a TPR?

[Varcron]

What do you mean? The situation the quote refers to was one where I was on the outside, and my vote ended up deciding whether Magoroth or MM died.

In the present situation, I am the prospective lynch target. I know I am town, and lynching me would be really bad for town. What I was pointing out to Frinckles was that it was illogical in -his perspective- to vote for me. In other words, he was being either misguided or scummy. If you don't agree with the argument, please post your rebuttal.

I partially disagree with your argument here for a few reasons.

1. Just saying that you know you're town doesn't make things better

2. Frinkles wasn't illogical as the post that I quoted clearly shows that you are trying to highlight MM as the prime lynch target, getting the attention off of yourself.

If his logic is so misguided, then why not give everyone a better solution? I don't personally see him calling you out as scummy, and it was a logical choice.

[Kovath]

I partially disagree with your argument here for a few reasons.

1. Just saying that you know you're town doesn't make things better

2. Frinkles wasn't illogical as the post that I quoted clearly shows that you are trying to highlight MM as the prime lynch target, getting the attention off of yourself.

If his logic is so misguided, then why not give everyone a better solution? I don't personally see him calling you out as scummy, and it was a logical choice.

You were saying I was being inconsistent. My whole point was that, at the EoD1, I had a choice between Magoroth and MM, i.e. I was never the target, and to believe that I am scum is to have certain beliefs about my preferences between those two trains. Meanwhile, today: I know that I am town. Why would I want to get lynched as town? This makes no sense, of course I'd rather have someone other than me get lynched. This is also true if I am scum, of course, but my whole point is that there is no inconsistency in my arguments in me trying to argue for a different lynch than myself. It is only natural for a player to prefer that someone other than themselves die, because dying only hurts your own alignment.

The better solution in Frinckles's world is MM, which I have stated. He has not contested this, and his posts suggests that he agrees.

[Kovath]

I really can't say anything definitive without the lurkers speaking, but I am still very disturbed by Frinckles's logic and the progression of his thoughts across posts. For example, although his posts suggests that he agrees with my portrayal of what his beliefs should suggest to him, he never addresses anything I say directly. He also glossed over my statements about why I voted Magoroth, just sticking with "MM was a better lynch and you're anti-town and deserve to die".

[Light_Yagami]

Tbh that's not a bad lunch but it's not on the menu

Yes Today We Are Having Mashed Potatoes And Turkey Mixed In Gravy With Some Rolls... We Also, Have Turkey Noodle Soup..

[Light_Yagami]

Did you check mag last night or something?

Thats A Fair Question..

[Varcron]

I really can't say anything definitive without the lurkers speaking, but I am still very disturbed by Frinckles's logic and the progression of his thoughts across posts. For example, although his posts suggests that he agrees with my portrayal of what his beliefs should suggest to him, he never addresses anything I say directly. He also glossed over my statements about why I voted Magoroth, just sticking with "MM was a better lynch and you're anti-town and deserve to die".

I do somewhat agree with that, the lurkers do need to speak. In my honest opinion you still are the best lynch, but I do think Frinkles needs to go into more detail with his posts.

[Kovath]

I don't personally see him calling you out as scummy, and it was a logical choice.

If you think he's not calling me out as scummy, you must think that his argument for lynching me is purely mechanical or technical or whatever adjective is appropriate. Can you state in your own words what the argument is? Why is it logical? My understanding is that Frinckles thinks I am scummy for what I did at EoD1.

Furthermore, given that you've said my posts "reek of scum," you have scumreads on me that must be (a) completely independent of Frinckles and (b) completely unknown to every other player. Frinckles has moved off of me for now; if you really think I am scum, you should start getting your case ready.

[Light_Yagami]

Kinda anti-town tbh

Also, what is viacom?

Viacom Was A Television Communication Company And Is Now My Nick Name For Varcron

[Kovath]

Viacom Was A Television Communication Company And Is Now My Nick Name For Varcron

Ah, I was really confused for a time. I thought it might have been like a Thunderdome-analog or something. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Light_Yagami]

Tbh what are you even doing

Shhhh.. Be Wary Wary Quiet... Im Hunting Scum..

[Light_Yagami]

SAVE KABOB, THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE PRIORITY!!!!


Frinckles, I hadn't really considered that possibility... and it would make much more sense than him being marksman because it just doesn't feel like him.

Yeah But IDK U Did Come Off As Kinda Scummy Yesterday..

[Light_Yagami]

Frinckles's logic is incomprehensible to me.

Frinckles must believe that Magoroth was tailored town if he thinks I'm scum. Then we have the following four worlds:
Me town + MM town, Me town + MM scum, Me scum + MM town, Me scum + MM scum

But the Me scum + MM town world makes no sense, as then it was a town lynch regardless and I could have voted a lurker or done nothing with no controversy; ergo, there is no world in which I am a superior lynch to MM, and flipping MM would also be informative about my alignment if MM is town.

So, either Frinckles really badly wants to lynch me either knowing I'm not scum or just to generate new lynch targets, or he actually does believe I blatantly played EoD as scum screwing around in a TvT lynch.

So You Are Saiyan You Support An MM Lynch?

[Light_Yagami]

I believe Light is somewhat scummy we well tbh

Wanna Thunder Dome About It?

Because, If You Do... Do I Have News For You..

[Light_Yagami]

I really hope we have a vig and they make a nice kill tonight. Feel free to kill Light. Tbh

Well U Will Be Unpleasantly Surprised If You Actually Do Slaughter Me..

[Light_Yagami]

Isn't this what you're doing now? You are basically now trying to divert attention towards MM as you stated in this very post, basically making him the better lynch target.

So Ur Reading That As Him Trying To Manipulate Some Sort Of Narrative?

[Light_Yagami]

What If Your The One Trying To Manipulate Things? @Varcron

[naz]

Magoroth got no town cred because until the end of the day, he wasn't townie. MM should not be playing this game right now and you + Wiisp derailed what was otherwise a fine lynch train. Now we've possibly lost a town power role in a game where five or more people are lurking and not contributing.

If you think I'm scum, feel free to vote me. I'm not sure if you're scum yet; My point was there are better lynches.

What made you think Mag was towny at the end?

[naz]

I really can't say anything definitive without the lurkers speaking, but I am still very disturbed by Frinckles's logic and the progression of his thoughts across posts. For example, although his posts suggests that he agrees with my portrayal of what his beliefs should suggest to him, he never addresses anything I say directly. He also glossed over my statements about why I voted Magoroth, just sticking with "MM was a better lynch and you're anti-town and deserve to die".

Lol why am I getting a funny feeling you guys are SvS'ing me rn?

[Frinckles]

What made you think Mag was towny at the end?

Fakeclaiming citizen in an attempt to not be lynched.
Turning on MM.

Two reasons atleast.

[Frinckles]

I really can't say anything definitive without the lurkers speaking, but I am still very disturbed by Frinckles's logic and the progression of his thoughts across posts. For example, although his posts suggests that he agrees with my portrayal of what his beliefs should suggest to him, he never addresses anything I say directly. He also glossed over my statements about why I voted Magoroth, just sticking with "MM was a better lynch and you're anti-town and deserve to die".

And again, I dont have any desire to get into a long winded conversation about quips or your take on the first reads I made this game. You need to be voting scum. If that's me, then do it I really dont mind.

[Frinckles]

You just keep telling me who isnt scum, you're not telling me who is scum.

[Frinckles]

Fakeclaiming citizen in an attempt to not be lynched.
Turning on MM.

Two reasons atleast.

Adding:

Scum would fakeclaim a TPR outright to avoid a lynch.

Town might claim citizen in an effort to not be RBd or killed.

[Kovath]

Lol why am I getting a funny feeling you guys are SvS'ing me rn?

It'd be kinda funny if we were and the entire argument was planned out during night phase, but it'd be risky. idk, lot of attention of our slots in general

You just keep telling me who isnt scum, you're not telling me who is scum.

Both you and Varcron are giving me shitty vibes but (a) I don't think you are scum together and (b) I have no confidence on anything when basically half of the players are afk.

Glad that last part hasn't changed in the last few years.

[Light_Yagami]

Lol why am I getting a funny feeling you guys are SvS'ing me rn?

Maybe They Are? And One Just Seems More Townie Then The Other?

[Frinckles]

It'd be kinda funny if we were and the entire argument was planned out during night phase, but it'd be risky. idk, lot of attention of our slots in general



Both you and Varcron are giving me shitty vibes but (a) I don't think you are scum together and (b) I have no confidence on anything when basically half of the players are afk.

Glad that last part hasn't changed in the last few years.

I agree. So, let's pressure someone? Vote. We have town doing anti-town things and three people murdering us at night. The least we can do is take steps to try to eliminate them instead of arguing with eachother when fypov were all town.

[Frinckles]

Maybe They Are? And One Just Seems More Townie Then The Other?

Who is scum here? You've had more than 72 hours to figure anything out.

[Kovath]

-vote Marshallow Marshall

Gonna read this EoD1 stuff again right now

I swear, if all the lurkers are town we're screwed

[Kovath]

Whoops

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

[Frinckles]

Eww, some of the first quotes with Mag do look ugly in hindsight, mostly the one where I ask him if he's a German in disguise... Also, just saying, it's really unlikely that Mag was non-marksman scum. Me pinging him for "help" is far from being AI.
I'm not really for policy lynches in general when there's a better option, which there almost always is at EoD. However, I'm 100% in for discussing the possibility of it on early D1.

Have you ever seen me hard defend my teammate like this? No. And you probably won't see it so soon lol. I still stand by my high townread on Stealth (haven't read D2 yet but still).

Wasn't there a tie at EoD? Mag couldn't really know that he would die. I didn't think it myself.

Big thing there : You accuse me of being scum for defending Stealth, and accuse Stealth of being scum for attacking me.


I still think that this case comes from town, because there was an obvious work of searching the posts and making links between them, even if they're wrong. + some points here. As long as you don't choo choo me

You didnt defend your teammate. You defended a town member and tailored them. You dont know who scum is. You dont have your own reads, or havent posted them. Can you tell me what you've done this game that's townie?

[Frinckles]

If we have a vigilante, please fucking kill the lurkers btw.

[Kovath]

I still think that this case comes from town, because there was an obvious work of searching the posts and making links between them, even if they're wrong. + some points here. As long as you don't choo choo me

Honestly this part is the scummiest segment for me of what Frinckles quoted from MM

Maybe it's just the lazy-town perspective to go "hard work = town" but eh

[Frinckles]

Honestly this part is the scummiest segment for me of what Frinckles quoted from MM

Maybe it's just the lazy-town perspective to go "hard work = town" but eh

To MM: e v e r y o n e i s t o w n ! !
Unless you push on him.

[Frinckles]

MM + Gyrlander is what I'm currently at.

[Kovath]

MM + Gyrlander is what I'm currently at.

The few posts Gyrlander has made are enough to distinguish him over Efekannn?

[Frinckles]

The few posts Gyrlander has made are enough to distinguish him over Efekannn?

Yeah, I think so.

[Varcron]

-vote Marshallow Marshall

Gonna read this EoD1 stuff again right now

I swear, if all the lurkers are town we're screwed

Is it standard in these sort of games to have a shit ton of lurkers? I feel as though I'm seeing the same 4 or 5 responding every day.

[naz]

Is it standard in these sort of games to have a shit ton of lurkers? I feel as though I'm seeing the same 4 or 5 responding every day.

yes it's really annoying (:

[Light_Yagami]

Who is scum here? You've had more than 72 hours to figure anything out.

What Makes You Think Im This Great And All Knowing Deity.. That Can Pull Scum Out Of Thin Air?

[Frinckles]

Is it standard in these sort of games to have a shit ton of lurkers? I feel as though I'm seeing the same 4 or 5 responding every day.

Not really. But It's the holidays I guess.

[Kovath]

Lurkers are a time-honored sc2mafia tradition. Depends on the game how bad it is. If there's only one or two, it's easy to force them to play, but when there's a crowd...

[Frinckles]

Lurkers are a time-honored sc2mafia tradition. Depends on the game how bad it is. If there's only one or two, it's easy to force them to play, but when there's a crowd...

Well, this game is on them if that's the case.

fwiw I don't think scum would lurk. Gylander coming back at eod is a good example of this.

[Light_Yagami]

Lurkers are a time-honored sc2mafia tradition. Depends on the game how bad it is. If there's only one or two, it's easy to force them to play, but when there's a crowd...

So You Are Saiyan 3s A Crowd?

[Frinckles]

So You Are Saiyan 3s A Crowd?

give us a read or I'll lynch you?

[Light_Yagami]

Current Reads List..

MM Scum Viacom Scum And Thats All I Got.. I Have A Slight Scum Lean On You..

[Gyrlander]

Isn't this what you're doing now? You are basically now trying to divert attention towards MM as you stated in this very post, basically making him the better lynch target.

Maybe because he doesnt want to get lynched? I think I have seen some people consider Kovath a viable Lynch.

[Gyrlander]

Well, this game is on them if that's the case.

fwiw I don't think scum would lurk. Gylander coming back at eod is a good example of this.

Maybe if it were planned, but I literally just came from the LOL thingie so nope

[Efekannn02]

Console.WriteLine("How About We All Use RNG And Vote Whoever We Want And Hope RNG Gets Them Killed?");
Console.ReadKey();