Let's lynch Cryptonic
Reason 1 - inflating posts to look more substantial / towny
Launching into an explanation about how town debating is good is completely unnecessary here. It's purely to wave his hands around and say "look at all this towny strategy I have lahlahlahlahlah!". A town shouldn't feel the need to add this rambly crap in an already-dense-wallpost-argument. A town would just write:
"Oh I misunderstood that post. Sorry, I wasn't telling you to suppress your scumread on Gyrlander."
Look at this post too:
wtf? Why is he rambling about the mod, and how people think before they posts? That's so unnecessary. So is him correcting my word misuse, then admitting correcting my word misuse is pointless.
This is the actual part of the post that responds to my point. How the fuck did he turn 1 line into 5?!
Crux of my point:
Crypt puts a lot of thought into his posts - that's obvious. However, he's putting the wrong kind of thought into each post. Towns read over their posts over and over to try and make them clearer / shorter, yet Crypt designs his post to seem wordier and more substantial than they actually are.
Reason 2 - Doesn't seem to be genuinely trying to read Gyr, like he doesn't need to.
Cryptonic establishes he has been unable to form a read on Gyrlander, due to his skint ass posts:
So, Crypt, if he's town, is looking to try to figure out Gyrlander, right? Nope:Originally Posted by Cryptonic
Gyr is a rehabilitated man, and no longer the toxic inactive we used to know. However, encouraging an ex-lurker to sit back and take it easy is the equivalent of dangling a bag of heroin in the face of a drug addict - Why the fuck would Crypt make this post if he's already struggling to sort Gyr out?
Even if Crypt disagrees with my scumread on Gyr, he should say some shit like "yo yzb is a dumbass but you need to post thoughts so I can figure you the fuck out. This setup has no TPRs so we have to build reads on everyone.
Also the bumlicking by Crypt in this post is on another level - it looks like he's playing the good guy. Who knows tho... maybe he genuinely thought "Poor Gyr - he's being pressured to respond to his critics. How unfair."
(FOR CONTEXT - GYR HAD NOT POSTED HIS READWALL YET, AND HAD ALREADY IMPLIED HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T POST READS UNTIL HE'D INTERACTED WITH EACH PLAYER)
Crux of my point: Crypt should be very familiar with how unreadable inactive slots fuck over the town in nearly every game, but he expressed no alarm over Gyr. It looks like he's being nice to him to play the good guy, who looks out for the little ones.
Aside:
I concur that scumreading Crypt for "underperforming" is shitty reasoning. Sj's case is also crap. Please do not associate me with those scrublords.
Anyway, I would greatly prefer a Crypt lynch to an infoless inactive lynch, or a lynch on one of my townreads (Whad and Ice).
-vote Cryptonic
Let's lynch Cryptonic
Reason 1 - inflating posts to look more substantial / towny
Launching into an explanation about how town debating is good is completely unnecessary here. It's purely to wave his hands around and say "look at all this towny strategy I have lahlahlahlahlah!". A town shouldn't feel the need to add this rambly crap in an already-dense-wallpost-argument. A town would just write:
"Oh I misunderstood that post. Sorry, I wasn't telling you to suppress your scumread on Gyrlander."
Look at this post too:
wtf? Why is he rambling about the mod, and how people think before they posts? That's so unnecessary. So is him correcting my word misuse, then admitting correcting my word misuse is pointless.
This is the actual part of the post that responds to my point. How the fuck did he turn 1 line into 5?!
Crux of my point:
Crypt puts a lot of thought into his posts - that's obvious. However, he's putting the wrong kind of thought into each post. Towns read over their posts over and over to try and make them clearer / shorter, yet Crypt designs his post to seem wordier and more substantial than they actually are.
Reason 2 - Doesn't seem to be genuinely trying to read Gyr, like he doesn't need to.
Cryptonic establishes he has been unable to form a read on Gyrlander, due to his skint ass posts:
So, Crypt, if he's town, is looking to try to figure out Gyrlander, right? Nope:Originally Posted by Cryptonic
Gyr is a rehabilitated man, and no longer the toxic inactive we used to know. However, encouraging an ex-lurker to sit back and take it easy is the equivalent of dangling a bag of heroin in the face of a drug addict - Why the fuck would Crypt make this post if he's already struggling to sort Gyr out?
Even if Crypt disagrees with my scumread on Gyr, he should say some shit like "yo yzb is a dumbass but you need to post thoughts so I can figure you the fuck out. This setup has no TPRs so we have to build reads on everyone.
Also the bumlicking by Crypt in this post is on another level - it looks like he's playing the good guy. Who knows tho... maybe he genuinely thought "Poor Gyr - he's being pressured to respond to his critics. How unfair."
(FOR CONTEXT - GYR HAD NOT POSTED HIS READWALL YET, AND HAD ALREADY IMPLIED HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T POST READS UNTIL HE'D INTERACTED WITH EACH PLAYER)
Crux of my point: Crypt should be very familiar with how unreadable inactive slots fuck over the town in nearly every game, but he expressed no alarm over Gyr. It looks like he's being nice to him to play the good guy, who looks out for the little ones.
Aside:
I concur that scumreading Crypt for "underperforming" is shitty reasoning. Sj's case is also crap. Please do not associate me with those scrublords.
Anyway, I would greatly prefer a Crypt lynch to an infoless inactive lynch, or a lynch on one of my townreads (Whad and Ice).
-vote Cryptonic
lol double post. Sorry :3
ur really bad @ this game
but, at least lynching me is a good choice. In a nightless setup, i'll always be suspect, so go nuts.
Just follow my lead for the rest of the game, because you obviously should not be Town leader. Half the things you are questioning are basic things, or have a logical reasoning as to why I am saying them.
@yzb25 respond to this post, too.
I think Town deserves to see your Whad-Town read lol
Crypt is my strongest scumread. I also don't like Titus though, so if Iced's ISO turns out to be a better case than Crypt's train then I'm happy to compromise.
However, I have a test tomorrow and I gotta rush to bed. Sorry, but I'll try to rush home early tomorrow and be around for the last 4/5 hours of LYLO. See you then.
Oh my, you have no idea, chum =3.Originally Posted by Cryptonic
Hahaha nono I have a pretty good idea.
You don't read, and when you do you don't understand what people are saying. You are overly paranoid and putting things together that don't need to be put together. You also favor complex situations over the simple solution (which you declare is simpler).
I understand me being a policy lynch d1 in a nightless game, but your reasoning to my lynch are pretty sub-par.
After my flip, I recommend following someone else instead of trying to lead yourself. Not trying to be offensive, it's just really frustrating being put on the defensive by someone who doesn't really acknowledge anything you say.
Her choice to shitpost after-the-fact of claiming she would be posting seriously is about all that is indicative of her alignment rn.
Best case scenario, we lynch her, she flips scum - we go into d2 with almost no new information and we're back where we started.
Worst case, we lynch her, she flips town - we go into d2 with almost no new information and we're back where we started.
Im not a fan of mesk what so ever right now, but I dont think shes the appropriate lynch candidate for today.
Monopoly of the Iced variety
-vote Whad
I cannot get over how lazy the reads he posted last night were.
Those who think Crypt is more scummy than Whad need to explain to me why they think Whad is an inferior lynch choice. Yzb post is pretty good though. At this point, my hesitation on joining the Crypt hype train is because of how awful the justification from SJ and Whad was.
Spoiler : Orpz FM History :
YZB is gone for at least the next 18hrs, so you no longer need to be 'frustrated' and 'defensive', please use this time to analyse more players. You currently suspect Whad, YZB, Mesk and SJ of being non-town, correct? Could you please provide thoughts on myself, Titus, and Orpz, as well as revisiting the points made by YZB regarding your stance on Gyrlander?
Monopoly of the Iced variety
@Unknown1234 Is there a replacement coming for MZ, or should we just hope that he will one day return?
I dont want to have an entire day spent with an inactive slot
Monopoly of the Iced variety
Hey, I'm going to catch up now. Sorry, probably should have asked for a delay but Sunday I had some urgent things to attend to.
Has Mesk given "serious" reads yet?
No, I see Whad as non-Town, SJ as scum lean, Mesk as no-read, and yzb as Town.
I feel that you are putting in a decent effort for a pro-Town stance, and I would be against your lynch for d1. The defense of Mesk that early into day 1 is suspect, but it could also just be meta. I don't see a world where both you and Whad as scum, and I do feel that Whad is much more scum-leaning than you are.
Orpz is pretty null at this point, but I do feel that his posts have some Town intention. However, they also seem appealing to the mob, in a way. He is pointing out the weak logic of Whad, which people (like yzb) seem to agree with but Orpz is one of the few actually pushing back on it. Orpz also jumped on the Mesk train right away, which is another reason why my Mesk vote stays. A Mesk flip removes a null read for me, while showing an interaction of Mesk-Whad, Mesk-Iced, Mesk-Titus, Mesk-Orpz, and Mesk-Crypt. Which is think offers the most information for the day out of all the lynch choices.
Titus is a fairly scummy slot, but I have not seen any interactions with other players from here that would be useful after a d1 flip, and she is lending me her vote (whether it's a joke vote or not at this point, doesn't matter). I feel like this helps me more than anything, and also allows for the Mesk-Titus read to be given, so I don't think Titus should be the d1 lynch either.
I have given several post reads in regards to Gyrlander, as well.
Titus (1 [L-5]):
Iced_Monopoly
Cryptonic (3 [L-3]):
yzb25, SuperJack, Whad
Mesk514 (2 [L-4]):
Titus, Cryptonic
Whad (1 [L-5]):
Orpz
Liking Iced more for his recent posts. Still fency about Cryptonic, but I'm willing to switch to Titus since apparently Iced sees something in him that he can flag as towny.
-vote Titus
I want to expand that my vote on Cryptonic earlier was primarily to help get him talking (which has accomplished that point) since there was some kerfluffle about it. Totally happy to apply this strategy to another underperformer.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Post volume doesn't equal information Orpz. You oughta know that. A player can in one post say what another needs in five. Iced Monolopy (disclaimer to this point) has been mostly focused on theory spamming than sorting who is aligned with whom. *squinty eye* That stuff is hard to read.
-vote Whad
From all players, I'm clearing Mesk, Iced, Yzb and me as town. This leaves Cryptonic, Orpz, MZ, Whad, Titus and SuperJack.
SJ is playing like a dummy, but he always is. Crypt seems reasonably towny. Orpz is being like big fat tiger that lies down and throws random sounds. Titus... is there.
Currently, the person I feel most comfortable voting is Whad. Something about him bugged about me from the beggining but I decided to ignore and think that I was just being paranoid. However, now that Iced seems to be town reading him Whad has relaxed. Also, voting people to contribute when they're already talking isn't quite efficient. I can correlate.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
I like that Crypt is approaching the game from a different angle than most people and is trying to put attention on people like SJ and Whad. While I know there's not any SJ/Whad connection since I'm not scum I can see how it's reasonable that one might think that.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I also don't like the fact that Mesk isn't voting anyone while when she's town she often starts to random vote like shit.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
I really don't like this defense of Iced. It reinforces that quantity=quality. Some people post very limited content in posts and take more posts to get something useful. Iced just seemed to be theory speccing, and in a manner that flipping might tell something about those deemed information and lurker lynches but not really. He never really talked about people by name (for the most part).
None of that is jokes but town trolling.
First, creating a jovial nature while indicating yeah we know lurking isn't going to be tolerated.
Second, I'm getting bored. Let's get some votes in this place. RVS.
Third, I'm getting frustrated by the lack of communication but still going at it.
None of those are jokes. They convey my emotional state in a light hearted manner.
Can you explain exactly why you think I am scummy? Many people are taking issue with my reads list.
At that state of the game, there was not a lot of information to go off of. My purpose in making it was to get people talking, to see how people felt about my gut sorting of people and to help advance the gamestate. A pity that people are scum reading me for that but if you can think about my motivations behind posting it I think you can see it was in a sincere effort to help the town. As such, I think it was successful.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
There is absolutely no Whad-SJ connection, which is strange because there definitely should be some with how your paths have crossed several times this game.
You still haven't explained (even though I asked twice now) as to why you agree with SJ, and what you agreed with.
SJ refuses to pressure for agreeing with his "joke", and actually doesn't even acknowledge that fact (even though I'd brought it up like 10+ times).
You have not asked SJ a single question, yet you read him as Town.
SJ has not asked you a single question.
You two avoid each other.
How can this be?????????
Oh right, you have a BTSC
Trolling is considered joking.
Jovial nature is a description you would give to a jokester.
How can you be frustrated or bored by lack of communication 18 posts into the game?
They are all jokes, making references to past games, while indicating you are (or arent) roles that dont exist in this setup are very clearly light hearted jokes. What 'serious' play would you make from claiming to be an escort or mason in this setup? none. Its a throwback, which is a joke. They are all jokes. I dont even know why you'd fight that. If you were so 'serious' there wouldnt be any light heartedness. What kind of a fucking point is this to fight on?
Monopoly of the Iced variety
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I don't know. Why are you being so semantic rather than focusing on the reads that I'm posting as I'm catching up? I don't view what I did as a joke. You either are trying to make it look that way or not. I had objectives. I stated them. Sort the objectives or not. What good comes from quibbling about a label of a joke?