In Sino's particular case, I would say the fact that he was townread by half of the town before his claim is a sign he wasn't doing terribly for himself.
I will disagree with you though on reading someone like that. In my experience, inexperienced scum tend to townread, not scumread, those going after them; this is because the player attacking them has accurate reads that the newbie scum can't truthfully discredit.
Thank you Grylander for hosting! I'm sorry that I didn't get to play this one
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
@Gyrlander
Don't listen to the haters. Hell, Darkness is too much of a pussy to even host his own game.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Ugh, at the end I won't be able to play with Calix.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
I would like to thank @Gyrlander for hosting this game. Dispute his mistakes he has done a very good job holding it together, dispute people harassing him.
To Gyrlander: You've made some mistakes, so just learn from them ^^ no matter how many times you host, or play you can still make mistakes, even Crypt makes mistakes and forces the game to be reset.
Calix flipping out at the host and the blackmail, causing herself to die was quite Similar to Firebringers rage at the host & setup.
Just to make it clear, I was not the one who pushed Gylander to host the game x way. Or deal with the Blackmail x way.
I'm quite sad that I wasn't the Blackmailer, as my blackmail was way more interesting.
Also, I decided to shoot MZ, because everyone was reading him as the neutral, and everyone's reads where on point at this time. So I had to shoot to cause the most disruption to reads. Had Ika managed to lynch the Neutral, or had Ika been the Empress his move would of worked.
Other than that, my intention with the push of DW was not fear mongering, it was to try and simulate my status on lynching just like I did in Spirits and was trying to convince people not to waste a.lynch on Arrow. Which I would of defended myself with, if I had not seen myself at L-1 without Ika's vote and told gylander I wanted to shoot MZ.
Blaming me for being active at the end of the day is quite sad, as that was the time I had got home after work. Normally games leave me more time to post before EoD, but this game suits EU players more.
If scum topic is released, ika deleted some tells on me that he didn't want public knowledge. So that's what his deleted comments are.
I would recommend developing scumreads as scum and sticking with them. Try to come up with some original reasoning someone else hasn't used. If you want to change a scumread to town, make it look natural. Try to be more active if you can.
I don't agree with town lynching you the way they did in a lylo situation. If they were wrong, scum would of won. They should of let you speak. You could of come back and tried to get out of it. You only needed one mislynch.
SuperJack, I understand your desire to defend Gyrlander against criticism, but this point is insanely ridiculous and you know it. The rules of S-FM Empire contains explicit provisions (two in fact, which was the problem) regarding what would happen if a blackmailed player didn't follow the blackmail instructions -- the consequence was either death at end of day or immediate death, depending on how you read the clauses together. That's literally a part of the game which Gyrlander himself contemplated given there were aspects of the setup which dealt with it.
Sure, Gyrlander's write-up was ambiguous (as discussed), but it's absurd to be comparing a legitimate game action with game-related consequences discussed in the rules with an overt gamethrow (revealing one's allies after you died in the game), which is never allowed by site FM rules. There's a reason action isn't going to be taken against Calix like it was against Firebringer -- because what she did wasn't against either site rules or Gyrlander's game rules and in fact, was specifically described by Gyrlander's game rules (albeit with two possible outcomes).
I understand you are not a fan of excessive criticism of hosts and we've debated this heavily in the past, but comparing a legitimate game action to overt gamethrowing is a massive cheap shot on your part.
How about people try to be constructive for the rest of this discussion. Else every asshole in this post-game discussion going to get rolled, especially the person who causes it for the rest.
Respect one another and be constructive. This post-game toxicity is getting old.
Mafia is a game.
But at the same time, I shouldn't try too hard to force it. I saw that vote you made and thought "ooh if I can make a SW case that would be nice" and then I could never find any other dirt on you lol. RL aside, I did procrastinate talking a lot. I gotta get over that.
It's a shame I didn't get a chance to try and defend myself. I thought I had a reasonable shot getting RLVG mislynched at the time, but people were so confident in Calix's reads.
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Originally Posted by BananaCucho
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I was actually o.k. with Escort lynch once he claimed. He wouldn't get in my way and we wouldn't no lynch causing Sino to jail unknown. Like I said, there were a lot of ways to stop me. Escort, jailer, doctor, NK immune scum. Making the leader immune to healing was a good idea.
Posting in this thread because I feel like it.