Careful, you should be of your vote
Lenient, some of you may stand
Obviously, you're not all in one boat
Clean, are some who scum you scanned
Killed, I may be for this note
Information is your best ally
Simply use it, for someone to certify
Time is your enemy
Identify, whoever's too carefree
Citizen is a call most easy
Kill not the ones you fancy
Instead, turn to your buddy
No one here is part of royalty
God only, knows the true mockery
You fucking moronic idiot toadette!!!!! Use your fucking head. That first push on me was fine, then people let off... THAT WAS A GOOD PLAY, but pushing on me again... WTF are you thinking?!?!?!! I'm a more important role than you are and I can give use a role.... now I'll have to find a hidden way to give you that role in case I freakin die. god fucking damnit
Fun fact, I once caught someone sending a secret message similar to that given to their scumbuddy.
I have no clue what to think of this...
Let it be known i do not see secret messages goddamn.
I assume Thornholt is just fucking with us in terms of the message, in terms of trying to make us suspicious of everyone. Basically the TLDR seems to be "trust no one".
Yeah, codes are not frequently used in our meta, but sophisticated group scum might set them up during the night in order to signal to each other about approaches or leads they figured out. I'm not aware of anything that has looked fishy, aside from Thornholt's own posts, lol.
The only person we can fully trust this game is the crier. The problem is he is not a real power role when it comes to finding cult.
As a host, he shouldn't interfee with our thoughts.
For all we know he's doing a Mafia Style Poem that's irrelevant to our train of thoughts yet relevant to the type of game.
After all, it is true we are suspicious of all, that information is our best friend, Citizens are the easiest to lynch, blabla.>
Yeah i looked over it and i saw alot of repeating patterns but that might also be because he smashed his keyboard.
I know toadette fancies that kind've stuff but doesn't look like the crier to me.
I'm going to look into it aswell
If I ever had to make a cipher, I'd scramble the words of each letter using a Vigenere Cipher, then replace spaces between words with a randomized, irrelevant letter as a red herring. :troll:
Anyway, back to the fucking YZB. He's scummy for stalling this.
I truly don't get the stall. When DW was at L-2 he made some attempts to make a defense, it wasn't a good one but it was one.
Yzb has sat at basically L-2 and his reponse was , i'll make a defense later.
YZB has been poked
If his response is preceded by the bells
I'll have him switched with Helz
And delay his neck, from being choked
You fucking moronic idiot toadette!!!!! Use your fucking head. That first push on me was fine, then people let off... THAT WAS A GOOD PLAY, but pushing on me again... WTF are you thinking?!?!?!! I'm a more important role than you are and I can give use a role.... now I'll have to find a hidden way to give you that role in case I freakin die. god fucking damnit
You fucking moronic idiot toadette!!!!! Use your fucking head. That first push on me was fine, then people let off... THAT WAS A GOOD PLAY, but pushing on me again... WTF are you thinking?!?!?!! I'm a more important role than you are and I can give use a role.... now I'll have to find a hidden way to give you that role in case I freakin die. god fucking damnit
On a serious note -- Thorn, please make those types of decisions behind the scenes. As you know from Colder War, anything that the host says or does impacts how players approach the game and might be considered putting a thumb on the scale for one side or the other. Based on your comment to replace yzb, I am sure players are trying to think about whether that makes him more likely Town or scum, which is not a good thing.
I'm asking evrryone to forget my mention of a replacement, I had in mind that yzb was inactive and had less than 3 posts today. Which is not the case, he was active and us therefore not in grounds for replacement. My apologies for any confusion this nay have caused.
My game really has no lurking lol.
You fucking moronic idiot toadette!!!!! Use your fucking head. That first push on me was fine, then people let off... THAT WAS A GOOD PLAY, but pushing on me again... WTF are you thinking?!?!?!! I'm a more important role than you are and I can give use a role.... now I'll have to find a hidden way to give you that role in case I freakin die. god fucking damnit
How much time we got left?
:toad:
Spoiler : O.o :
You fucking moronic idiot toadette!!!!! Use your fucking head. That first push on me was fine, then people let off... THAT WAS A GOOD PLAY, but pushing on me again... WTF are you thinking?!?!?!! I'm a more important role than you are and I can give use a role.... now I'll have to find a hidden way to give you that role in case I freakin die. god fucking damnit
I'm here. Spent half an hour on trying to make this defense clear. If this is still hard to understand then I give up xD.
Apologies
I apologize for the scummy jokes / non serious attitude. While it is generally my personality, it also wards away the night kill. Of course, that's completely pointless if I'm lynched.
I apologize for the shitty play on d1. There was a lot to read but it appears we take d1 a lot more seriously than we used to. I also have excuses n shit.
"Evidence" of townishness
1) I chose to defend the Mikecall train, even though Mikecall was a very scummy-looking guy to most. Because I did (and still do) town-read him. This is a move that would only lose me influence as scum.
2) I elaborated the night actions. While some of what I said / found had already been discovered, for those who read my posts, I have greatly clarified the night actions and their implications. This is a move that would only reduce chaos as scum.
These are the main two things. I've done smaller stuff, like tried to engage in / bring people into the conversation, (on the occasions when I was up-to-date and watching forum chat live) I've tried to be open about my thought process behind decisions and ideas, exc.
Clearly, all these things could be WIFOM, but, I mean, everything could be WIFOM. These are still ultimately town moves, and, well, I think it's obvious I haven't been putting in the required effort to make a WIFOM worthwhile :3.
My motivations
I want to survive. Even though it's not LYLO, my death would be detrimental to the town. This is why I've done/said things for partially "selfish reasons" (primarily talking about the joking n shit)
I want to get Mattzed lynched, today. Because I feel his responses were bad and my night-action theory still holds. It may be long and convoluted, but noone has presented a counter-theory more plausible. I'll lauch a more formal attack on Mattzed. It won't be this long.
I get the feeling there's a lot of misunderstanding between us. For example, that "master plan" thing I said was purely sarcastic, if I remember correctly. It's ultimately just a thought that I'm pursuing. But if you don't think Mattzed's response to me was bad, I really want to hear why. I was under the impression his response was bad.
The "alleged certainty" was still me just imitating your playstyle. Though I find it fascinating when someone else takes the exact same approach you do, the approach is suddenly scummy.
I apologize for misusing "literal", but I still think my understanding was accurate. I still don't see how his response being "blank. Shit. Need more info" means "Awaiting other opinions to feed my sheep mind". In fact, even if you are the latter, that could still just be a town having a really shitty moment.
Does he always read scum as neutral? If he does, you have a point. But I doubt he's been doing that. I think you've taken one example of him saying "hmm this guy strikes me as more of a solo scum" and acted like this is how he always acts.
Though, to be completely honest, I'm only defending him because he's on my lynch train. Though I genuinely think your criticism is stupid, his recent posts in response to you have been dodgy for other reasons. I guess I'm reaching the point of tunnelling, but by god, you have brought this upon yourself.
Let me get this straight , your defense is
1) i defended MikeCall
2) I elaborated on the night actions with stuff we already knew after everybody gave their opinions ?
God, someone else was going on about this being a purposeful move to buy time. Don't you realize that this only gives me less time to transfer the lynch train? Glance at a fucking GMT clock and you would have figured out it was because I was at school/work.
This is a an overstatement. I didn't mount a formal defense, but noone mounted a formal attack. We just exchanged rapid points because it was late and we were tired. You're acting like I didn't have a 3/4 page conversation with the critics.
Sorry, I was lazy and wanted to go to sleep. I'll do it. I promise.
My point on Mikecall was that it isn't something that is beneficial for a scum to do. If we were both scum, such buddying could fuck us both over.
I thought you were the one who was arguing that contribution doesn't make you look towny :P. But I found the night actions genuinely intriguing. That was not an example of me grappling for something to say
Alright, I might as well be cooperate now, Yzb25, why do you think defending me was actually a good thing? you are trying to say there was a potential buddying between yourself and I which I am find to be the case from D1 near the end of the day, even when I wanted to make 2 safety trains which would avoid what happened at Colder War.
I seriously do think you play too passive and not going into the aggressive with the pushing of votes. Weirdly enough, I find this MattZed, from meta, to not really be that aggressive and playing a more layed back, relaxed town play which is finding him to be potential scum. An example being Wraith Night S-FM, trying to play a safe town and only focus on certain individuals. Quite interesting really.
Yzb, you claim your theory was based around thinking that Calix and Spruances death where by specific roles like Lady Death and Cultists, but I did mention some of those points from one of my beginning posts, so is it really taking opinions from others? MattZed loves this tactic this game, which can be both evil scum or potential town.