Fund Raiser Roles 3/4

[Elixir]

Name: Beguiler

Description: A stealthy sneak who uses manipulation and redirection to survive.

Alignment: Mafia, Mafia Deception

Abilities: The Beguiler has the ability to hide in a player's home, redirecting all effects targeting the Beguiler to instead affect his target.

Win Condition: Wins with the Mafia

Host Options:
Becomes Mafioso if Alone [x]
Can Hide 3 times. []
Can Hide 4 times. []
Can Hide behind Mafia Members []

Additional Notes:
1) Unless given 3 or 4 charges the Beguiler can Hide 2 times.
2) Roles that target the Beguiler will instead effect the Beguiler's target similar to a 1 directional Bus Driver.


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Role name: Witch Doctor

Description: A deranged fanatic using mind altering medicines to spread the Cult's will.

Alignment: Cult / Neutral Evil

Abilities: This role has the ability to 'heal' a non cult player. If they were attacked that night, they will be saved and converted to the cult.

Win Condition: Eliminate the Town, Mafia and all non-benign Neutrals.

Host Options:
1) Limited to 2 Successful Conversions [x]
2) Limited to 3 Successful Conversions [ ]
3) 1 Day Between Successful Conversions []
4) Excluded from Randoms [ ]

Additional comments:
1) The Witch Doctor's Cult Conversion may occur alongside the standard cult conversion.
2) The Witch Doctor's Cult Conversions can push the Cult over the 1/3 Limit.
3) A new option for doctors will be added. When converted by a Cultist, become a Witch Doctor if one does not already exist (being dead still counts as existing)
4) Witch Doctors can heal their own cultists but will drain from their charges if successful.
5) There is a limit of 1 Witch Doctor per game.

[Lazers]

Neat, will there be a possibility of getting more cultist town roles in the future?

[Slaol]

Bump for major update.

[Gerik]

If the coroner checks a dead thief that appears as someone else (ie. an investigator) does it see the thief's targets or the investigator's?

[Numbertwo]

So theif is allmost like a actress now? Interesting

[Gerik]

So theif is allmost like a actress now? Interesting

Thief is actress + spy + last will shitfuckery.

[Slaol]

If the coroner checks a dead thief that appears as someone else (ie. an investigator) does it see the thief's targets or the investigator's?

Definitely Coroner would see through it.

[Numbertwo]

Thief is actress + spy + last will shitfuckery.

Don't forget Framer.

[Elixir]

Who the fuck signed off on last will swapping.

Someones blood is gon' spill.

[Slaol]

Who the fuck signed off on last will swapping.

Someones blood is gon' spill.

It's OK. The last will swap will only occur on a dead Thief.

[Gerik]

Don't forget Framer.

Actually, now that you mention it... Why would anyone want a framer when they could have a thief?

Maybe framer should get an option to frame targets (to fool detectives/lookouts) so that it isn't completely worthless when compared with the thief.

[Slaol]

It's OK. The last will swap will only occur on a dead Thief.

It will appear as
Red was 'Theif'
His last will read: '...'

It won't irritate much except to effectively clean them.

[Numbertwo]

Actually, now that you mention it... Why would anyone want a framer when they could have a thief?

Maybe framer should get an option to frame targets (to fool detectives/lookouts) so that it isn't completely worthless when compared with the thief.

Thief is even stronger then a normal framer, the framed target actually appears to be mafia when lynched.

[Gerik]

Thief is even stronger then a normal framer, the framed target actually appears to be mafia when lynched.

I know... That's why I said the framer is currently worthless in comparison to the thief. Either framer needs its own buff (like the one I suggested in my last post) or one of the thief's abilities (probably the actress one) should be given to the framer instead.

[Numbertwo]

I know... That's why I said the framer is currently worthless in comparison to the thief. Either framer needs its own buff (like the one I suggested in my last post) or one of the thief's abilities (probably the actress one) should be given to the framer instead.

Maybe they are planning on removing the framer since they are adding so many new mafia roles anyway.

[Elixir]

I know... That's why I said the framer is currently worthless in comparison to the thief. Either framer needs its own buff (like the one I suggested in my last post) or one of the thief's abilities (probably the actress one) should be given to the framer instead.

Janitor also worthless in slaol update. Steal/Kill same target. Many Thieves. GY irrelevant. Must change sequence.

-Abathur, Newest Designer on sc2mafia

[Numbertwo]

Janitor also worthless in slaol update. Steal/Kill same target. Many Thieves. GY irrelevant. Must change sequence.

-Abathur, Newest Designer on sc2mafia

i guess they could make it so the theif can only steal someones role 1 time, but then he keeps it for the rest of the game Becouse it would be ridiculous to have 10 theifs in the graveyard

[Auckmid]

Witch Doctor is realy nice, Thief realy is ridiculously OP. Needs to be nerfed badly.

[Gerik]

Janitor also worthless in slaol update. Steal/Kill same target. Many Thieves. GY irrelevant. Must change sequence.

-Abathur, Newest Designer on sc2mafia

Yeah... The only advantage the janitor currently has over that strategy is that the janitor doesn't act unless the kill succeeds, so a mafia with a thief using that strategy would be more susceptible to a double veteran kill (I think. Unless janitor still moves and just doesn't use a cleaning). But that isn't much of a reason to keep the janitor around... Especially when the effects of the thief (if I'm understanding correctly) fool a coroner who does an autopsy on the target, whereas the janitor cleanings are defeated by coroner.

I don't agree with coroner being duped by thief. Coroner is underused as it is. This would only nerf coroner more and make it useless in all but very specific setups (kind of like it is already, to be honest), whereas allowing coroner to see through this deception might make coroner more common/accepted as the thief becomes more prevalent.

[Slaol]

Janitor also worthless in slaol update. Steal/Kill same target. Many Thieves. GY irrelevant. Must change sequence.

-Abathur, Newest Designer on sc2mafia

The Slaol update frankly shouldn't have needed to happen. The 2nd idea was fine, just tedious.

[Voss]

what happened to thief?

[Slaol]

what happened to thief?

Disagreements as to what it is going to be.

[Elixir]

Updated it would seem

[Mugy]

Hahaha, no more "vig shoot him tonight"

I can only think of a few scenarios atm, sounds like it has great potential.

[Cryptonic]

nvm, i see it now.
also, y no actress

[creedkingsx]

nvm, i see it now.
also, y no actress

in sc2, it's essentially just a Janitor

[Cryptonic]

in sc2, it's essentially just a Janitor

how x.x

[louiswill]

This role comes in handy.

[Slaol]

how x.x

It will only work as like 1 cleaning. Actress was included in a variation of one of the roles that was considered. But as a solo role is not helpful enough.

[Cryptonic]

It will only work as like 1 cleaning. Actress was included in a variation of one of the roles that was considered. But as a solo role is not helpful enough.

Why would an Actress clean roles? I don't get your point.

Also, are we ever gonna see Assassin and Ventriloquist? x.x

[Slaol]

Why would an Actress clean roles? I don't get your point.

Also, are we ever gonna see Assassin and Ventriloquist? x.x

Which version of actress are you talking about.

Also, stay tuned.

[creedkingsx]

Why would an Actress clean roles? I don't get your point.

Also, are we ever gonna see Assassin and Ventriloquist? x.x

Actress clens it's own role. :o

[Cryptonic]

Actress clens it's own role. :o

Not really. Actress appears as another role.
Anybody who knows how to play sc2mafia keeps the graveyard and the rolelist open. An Actress would screw that up completely. "Oh, you can't be town protective because we've had 2 Doctors die"
Also, makes Coroner more useful.

[creedkingsx]

Not really. Actress appears as another role.
Anybody who knows how to play sc2mafia keeps the graveyard and the rolelist open. An Actress would screw that up completely. "Oh, you can't be town protective because we've had 2 Doctors die"
Also, makes Coroner more useful.

Actress appears as a currently live role.
Appearing as another role is effectively cleaning yourself.

[Ash]

in sc2, it's essentially just a Janitor

how does this "sc2" Actress differ from Forum Mafia actress?

if u can create good confusion then actress is a good role, but pubs can't utilize roles with a blend of intelligence.

[Cryptonic]

Actress appears as a currently live role.
Appearing as another role is effectively cleaning yourself.

No, cleaning yourself means you appear as ???.
Appearing as another role is completely different.

Also, appearing a random role that's alive? That would make it HORRIBLE, because you can't plan for anything. Winning as scum requires planning.

[Elixir]

A role who's sole purpose is to die is shit in sc2mafia.

Bnet retards want power roles.

[Lazers]

A role who's sole purpose is to die is shit in sc2mafia.

Bnet retards want power roles.

Is that an implied middle finger to Hunter

[BorkBot]

Actress can actually be pretty cool to deceive investigators, but Beguiler can effectively do the same as long as they're not roleblocked.

I like the beguiler. It's kind of similar to a role I suggested a while back, although that one could be used to cover up other mafia members instead of yourself.

[Cryptonic]

A role who's sole purpose is to die is shit in sc2mafia.

Bnet retards want power roles.

point taken.

And yea, I like Beguiler as well.

[creedkingsx]

A role who's sole purpose is to die is shit in sc2mafia.

Bnet retards want power roles.

Hunter.

[louiswill]

Hunter.

more like Haunter.

[Elixir]

Is that an implied middle finger to Hunter

Wasnt implied cause I never read it. But now that I have, ye, That role is p garb too

[Deantwo]

https://wiki.sc2mafia.com/en/index.ph...Doctor#Options

if both the Limited to # Successful Conversions options are unchecked, the Witch Doctor will have how many successful conversion charges???
or does one have to be selected?

same quest with Mason Leader really... if you happen to have that in your head too ^^;

[Mugy]

https://wiki.sc2mafia.com/en/index.ph...Doctor#Options

if both the Limited to # Successful Conversions options are unchecked, the Witch Doctor will have how many successful conversion charges???
or does one have to be selected?

same quest with Mason Leader really... if you happen to have that in your head too ^^;

Mason leader will have unlimited conversions, not 100% sure about the witch doctor but it's probably the same.

[Deantwo]

Mason leader will have unlimited conversions, not 100% sure about the witch doctor but it's probably the same.

did not know that! added to the Wiki ^^

so anyone know the answer to the Witch Doctor question?